SID: Shalom. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s natural supernatural. I love the rarified air of Heaven, and I’m surrounded with it. This air is inside of me. But I have news for you. You are not called to be a spectator. You are not called to just be entertained every Sunday. You are called to be a participant in the last act of the last play of the history of Planet Earth. I have two guests that started watching It’s Supernatural and got hooked. And today they’re doing the same things and the people they’re teaching are doing the same things that my guests are doing. I was talking to one of them a little bit early and he said, “Anything I see on your show God is showing me I can do.” But I’ll go a step further. Anything my guest can do, you can do better. Hello. Sid Roth here with Pastor Williams. And Pastor, you have a large church. How do I know it? You have 5000 members in Memphis. I was there speaking at your congregation. But there was a point in your life where you needed to get in touch with God. You did and a major miracle happened for your daughter.

PASTOR WILLIAMS: My daughter was six months old, Brother Sid, and she contracted a very serious case of atopic dermatitis, and it was a skin disease where just scratched until she bled. Many nights my wife had to change the sheets because of the blood that was on the bed the night before. We went to doctor after doctor, to the best doctors in Memphis where we were located, and tried some of the best creams and medication. Nothing worked at all. Not one thing worked. And going before God and praying somebody laid in my hand a book from Kenneth Hagen about healing. Now I’m a Baptist pastor at this time. I’m not spirit filled, don’t know anything about it, and I want to stay in my traditions and nowhere ready to step out at all in that. So I began to read the book. But when you’re desperate, there’s something about when you’re desperate you begin to step outside of your traditions. And my wife and I were desperate for a miracle for our child. Couldn’t understand why she was afflicted or what have you. But I read that book and from there went to Weymouth and got trained, and then the Lord gave us a word of deliverance about somebody else’s daughter was going through a similar situation in the book. We read that and went and ministered deliverance to our child. One night when she was about three years old, my wife and I ministered deliverance, and we saw boils just begin to break out all over her body, and that was toxin that was coming out of her body. From that night on, she never had the problem with the scratching and the itching again.

SID: Now that’s our God. But, but, but, I feel like a motor boat, but, but, but, he goes to Weymouth Bible College. He’s filled with the spirit. He’s seen a miracle in his own daughter, but he doesn’t see many miracles happen in his congregation with all of that training. Then he starts watching It’s Supernatural. Now if you had seen It’s Supernatural maybe five years earlier, what would you have done?

PASTOR WILLIAMS: You know, I would have, let me go back and give you this. Primarily I had laid hands on people from what we had been taught and I could teach people how to take the Word of God and be healed. That may have been four months a year down the road, maybe even a couple of years of them just standing and waiting. But after watching It’s Supernatural and seeing some of the people that you had on your program, and Charles Ndfion was one, and seeing how they just immediately took the Word of God and gave instruction to people to do, to act on their word, there were immediate results and immediate manifestations. And so having watched that, one particular night there was a young lady who’s best friends with my daughter. She wanted to come by the office to meet us. She had been in a car wreck two years prior, was in pain for two years. Her back was twisted. And so I’m in the office and I’m going, God, this is my time. And I had to step out. And so it was my daughter, my wife and her friend were there. And so I prayed for her, gave her the instruction to bend over. When she bent over, okay, she was a little afraid at first because she knew there was going to be pain. When she bent over and came back up all the pain was gone. That was my initial step of faith into miracles as a result of watching the TV program.

SID: But had you seen it a few years earlier would you have watched it?

PASTOR WILLIAMS: No. Listen, based on what has been on this program, can I really be honest with you?

SID: Please.

PASTOR WILLIAMS: If I had seen the things that were on this show going back five, 10 years ago, instead of it being the glory zone, I would have thought it was the twilight zone. I just want to be honest with you. I mean, when I’m hearing about on programs people’s hair growing back and people losing weight, and all these different things happening I was just amazed at what I saw. People losing weight and all of this, and all these people being translated. Man, if I had heard that five, 10 years ago I would have thought you all were crazy.

SID: Okay. Now listen. We have a Hebrew word we use for that. It’s meshuggah.

PASTOR WILLIAMS: Yeah.

SID: It means crazy.

PASTOR WILLIAMS: Well I would have thought you were meshuggah.

SID: I didn’t know you were Jewish.

PASTOR WILLIAMS: I’m learning how to be one.

SID: Good for you. Okay. So I go to his congregation to speak and I tell him about my friend Tony Kemp, how Tony went on to our radio archives, our television archives. They’re all free right on the Internet. Spent six, eight hours a day and came out doing the same thing and a light bulb went off in his brain. And he said, “Well I am going to do that for my congregation.” What did you do, briefly?

PASTOR WILLIAMS: When we met for breakfast that morning, you shared that. I went home to find in the archives Brother Kemp’s story and how he did that. I began to go back and see some of the archives. When I got to about the third show, I knew then my congregation had to begin to see it, and I started showing it. But with that the Lord laid on my heart to make out a curriculum, to make out a workbook. So each show that you had I went down the line, poured out about points that was discussed in the program, made a question, drew a line under each question where the people could watch it, go back and do it, and they give them application in the end for things for them to do. And Brother Sid, as a result when the people were watching the program some of them got healed during the program, some of them got healed when they prayed and applied it after the program was over with. We had one lady who was getting ready to go to surgery because she need breast reduction. Her back had been hurting, and she was scheduled for surgery. Saw one of the programs. It was either Joni Hunter or it could have been Ron White, I can’t quite remember which one, saw the program, went home and prayed a quiet prayer of faith. The next morning she noticed that her breasts had begun to reduce.

SID: She didn’t need surgery.

PASTOR WILLIAMS: She didn’t have to go to surgery as a result, absolutely.

SID: Turnabout is fair play. He called meshuggah. You’re meshuggah. Alright. Listen, we’re going to be right back, and I’m going to have Tony Kemp on. You might think that’s outrageous, wait until you hear the miracles happening with Tony. And these outrageous miracles are happening to all the people taking the It’s Supernatural course in his congregation. And God’s not respecter of persons. He wants that to happen to you. To you.

PASTOR WILLIAMS: Absolutely.

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