Rick Joyner

Sid: Now I recently visited a friend of mine, many of you are familiar with him Rick Joyner.  He is the director of Morning Star Ministries, he’s authored books that many of you have read especially the trilogy called “Final Quest” which came from dreams and visions.  But I just recently went to his major headquarters center and what has occurred is Rick has taken over what was called “The Grand Hotel” that at one time Jim Baker had, when he had his whole television organization.  Rick I am amazed at what you’re doing with that hotel but for the Mishpochah tell us where it’s located and what you are doing.

Rick: Well, the property’s located just south of Charlotte, North Carolina in well we’re actually just across the border in South Carolina; Fort Mills, South Carolina.  But we did purchase 52 acres of that property including the Grand Hotel, and Conference Center, and some other buildings.  And a friend of ours purchased the entire rest of it and he’s been restoring that as well.

Sid: You know it appears to me that that you are fulfilling the original vision that was connected with that property.

Rick:  Well, in a whole lot of ways we really are. We hope to see it restored to like new condition and we believe it could be the best facility on the planet for Christians to come to for fellowship and interchange with Christians from other nations, other denominations.

Sid:  You’re having some pretty neat conferences there now for starters.

Rick:  Yeah, we’ve had quite a few I mean we feel like these are the greatest facilities we could have ever imagine for getting together like that

Sid: I can kind of put myself in your shoes having been out there and watched a little bit about the progress that is going on, but God is up to something very special and we both realize that.  Speaking of special when you started having that series many years ago of dreams and visions that resulted in the books “Final Quest.” Did you have any idea it would have such impact on so many Christians?

Rick:  Well, it’s interesting you know I had a whole group of my friends who when they read some of my first drafts they said if I publish this it would ruin my ministry.  And I honestly thought it might.  But as I asked them you know do you believe it’s true, do you believe it’s from the Lord?  And they said “Yeah, we just don’t think that Christians are ready to handle this.”  And I said “Well, I’m not here to build a ministry I’m here to be obedient and if it ruins my ministry it just has to do that I’m not concerned about that.”  But I had no idea honestly thought it would be rejected and of course it has been rejected by many but the overwhelming reception of it was it was shocking, and where it was received.

Sid:  It’s sort of like allegorical but yet as I understand it you were in the visions watching these things go on.

Rick:  Well, I did like Ezekiel in his visions and there’s some others scripture where prophetic experiences people felt like they were really caught away like Ezekiel being caught away to Jerusalem. It was obviously a prophetic experience because Jerusalem wasn’t like Ezekiel went at the time you know what I mean?

Sid: I’ve read that and pondered it a lot.

Rick:  Yeah, and you know I felt like I was there but I don’t know if I was really there somewhere like in the throne room of God when it when I was there, or if it was a prophetic experience to convey certain message.

Sid: You know that sounds like something Paul said in the New Testament, when he was talking about being caught up in the Third Heaven.  But if I was to force you to pull out a spiritual nugget from those dreams and visions that resulted in the books what would it be?

Rick: Well, it would be the true Christianity is the greatest adventure that we could ever experience in this world in this life; that it is the ultimate cause the greatest quest, the greatest life I believe you can have but also the most difficult.  It is also hard, it is a battle but it’s worth it you know.  I believe true Christianity is opposed to religion which I think is the most boring thing on the planet.  But true Christianity is the ultimate life that you could live which is a life of following the King, fighting the battles of the King, and standing for truth, for righteousness and all that that means in this world…     

Sid: And so when is Hollywood going to figure it out because they just want to show, they want to show ultimate adventures, are they going to do a movie of your books?

Rick:  Yeah I actually have a contract to do a movie with quite a power team out there.

Sid: Well, I think the time is right; speaking about the time being right. I’m not just saying this because I’m interviewing you but I am so excited over your latest book.  It’s called “The Power to Change the World,” and I have to be candid with you because you highlight the two greatest revivals in history, the Welsh Revival, Azusa Street, there’s been so much on it in my mind I process it by saying boring.  But I started looking over what you have in here and realized that it’s not just a history book, and I happen to know you have personally you have a passion for history.  But it’s a prophetic book about what’s ready to happen and it really started many years ago from a vision that you had.  Tell me about it.

Rick:   Well, you’re probably talking about the vision of the two waves that would come upon the world.

Sid: Yes.

Rick:  And the great harvest. Jesus said “The harvest is the end of the age,” and I believe the end of the age is going to represent the greatest revival and harvest that the world has ever known, spiritual harvest of souls for the Lord.  And back at the time that I first received that vision back in 1987 almost everybody was packing their bags wanting to get out of here.  And since that time you know one brother did some research and found out that since I wrote that vision about the two waves…

Sid: Excuse me, explain the vision first before you explain what it means.

Rick:  Oh, I had a visions of two huge waves coming upon the earth. The first wave was an ingathering of souls, the second wave would be a much much greater one. The first one was so great it would be greater than almost anything that had ever been experienced but it was only in preparation for the second coming great revival.  It was to gather the laborers that would be the laborers in the second gathering.

Sid: Okay that vision was in ’87; what is your understanding of where we are in history based on that vision?

Rick:  I think we’re in the first wave, now all over the world the last since the time that I had that vision over almost 20 years ago the greatest revival in history or the great ingathering of souls into Christianity has taken place.  You know there are some estimates that it had as many as an average of over 300,000 people coming to the Lord every single day throughout the world.  Now many of these revivals have been in Asia, South America, Africa, all over the world almost except for America and Europe.  But I believe the Lord could be saving His best for last, I believe America and Europe are going to experience very similar huge awakening, huge ingathering’s.

Sid: When do you see that second gigantic wave which is I would have to… my spin would be that’s the greatest and the last revival in history.  When do you think that will start?

Rick: Okay now…the Lord has not trusted me with timing on it. So this is my own opinion; I am not prophesying a timing, but my own opinion is that it’s the second ingathering is literally a few decades away.   

Sid: Okay, let me ask you this in your book there are so many my producer said that she had difficulty writing the notes on it because she wanted to put everything in the book in her notes. But you make a statement, these revivalists, the people that were involved had such intimacy with God, his manifest.  I mean tangible presence was there and once they experienced His manifest presence they were forever ruined for anything else.  What does that mean to you?

Rick:  There is nothing more captivating than God; nothing more interesting than…once you’ve gotten a glimpse of the King of kings you’re not going to be impressed with presidents or any earthly personalities.  You give honor to whom honor is do but you can’t be overly impressed once you’ve seen a little bit of Heaven anything on earth is going to look tragically, I mean terribly inferior. You’re just ruined you know and that’s innocence the way we should be our heart is in Heaven and our home is in Heaven like Paul said.  But at the same time our purpose is to bring Heaven to the earth to see the glorious things and the manifest presence of the Lord and the wonders of man being able to be close to God to bring that the earth and to bring that to those that live in darkness so that they’re touch too and captivated with God.  We were created to have fellowship with God and we’ll never be at peace or never have fulfillment until we have that intimate fellowship with God again.

Sid: But there is you know it’s like the degree that Adam had with God and I believe that’s available for us today.  And we’ve had little touches of it if you will but there is so much more.  Now this is a sovereign thing, you can’t make God do it but the scripture says “If you draw close to God He will draw close to you.”  And there are ingredients pleasing God that you bring out that these revivalists had.

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