Sid: My guest and I haven’t interviewed in a number of years now, is Gary Kah, Kah is spelled, K A H and Gary has a very unique background and as a matter of fact Gary actually had a vow, an oath almost which launched him into being one of the top investigative reporters of the end times.  Now Gary you had a very unique background, your father fled the Nazi’s in I guess as he explained what went on as a young child there were certain things that didn’t make sense to you, explain.

Gary: Yes, I remember around fifth and sixth grade being old enough to really begin comprehending what my parents went through during World War II.  And even though I was born over here in the states after they came over from Europe, when they would get together at family reunions with relatives they would of course talk about their younger days and what transpired during the war.  And my father became a refugee he had to flee from both the Nazi’s and the communists in Croatia because they were converging on their villages there in that area.  And so he and his family and a number of neighbors threw just a few belongings that they could grab on short notice, put them on the backs of wagons, formed a wagon train and ran for their lives and ended up losing everything else that they had.  And they became refugees and so here they were Christians on the run during World War II.  And my mother interestingly who my father met after the war in Southern Germany, she grew up in the hills of Southern Germany in a small farm village and her father, my Grandfather was very outspoken against Hitler to the point where Mom and Grandma feared for his life and prayed for him daily.  And again, Mom grew up in this small village of only about three hundred people and the major had to intervene once on Grandpa’s behalf or else the Gestapo would have hauled him off because of some things that he had said.  And so I thought how could that happen in a country that was known for so long as being Christian?  You know a lot of people forget that the same Germany that became Nazi produced many of the greatest theologians.  And of course the first Bible was printed in Germany and there is such a strong Christian heritage there and it just baffled me how could this happen?  And I remember sitting in my public school room in Kettering, Ohio in sixth grade during a World History Class, I had a Christian teacher that year that was teaching it.  And she was talking about World War II as well and these things that had happened and at that time I prayed to the Lord silently say “I would take a stand for Him if anything like this were to ever happen in America and I would do so regardless of the cost.”  And I remember it as if it were yesterday, I still remember exactly where I was sitting and of course at a young age like that when you pray a prayer like that I suppose you never think the Lord is going to take you up on that and in my case very clearly He did.

Sid: And obviously He’s really using you in an area that it’s unfortunate and in fact I find it hard for me to comprehend why the secular media doesn’t shout from the housetops some of the information that you have obtained.  As a matter of fact, I want to skip to something because to kind of whet the appetite of everyone, and I found this utterly amazing about President Obama has a cousin who ran for the President of Kenya and is one of the leaders of Kenya and that’s not amazing.   But what was amazing is this man is the most radical of radical Moslems I’ve ever heard of, I mean he has burned down hundreds of churches, murdered thousands of Christians.  And you say something on your video that I have never heard anywhere, that somehow there’s an association through President Obama in which he had a million dollars funded into his presidential campaign; tell me about that.

Gary: First of all this gentleman was the leader of the most powerful group of Islamic leaders in Kenya, and when he ran for President a few years back he lost narrowly and as a result a lot of rioting and killing broke out.  That did get some secular media attention, it was around Christmas time in Kenya and there was a lot of bloodshed.

Sid: I know but the connection of that was President Obama’s cousin that did not get media attention.

Gary: Right exactly yeah.  No that did not get out, that’s where they held back and surely they would have had to know that because this was revealed by that individual himself in an interview with BBC news, British Broadcast Corporation.  In fact the headline read, O’dinga said that Obama is his cousin.  And we also found a couple of pictures with Dingus meeting with President Obama and Michelle, this was before President Obama became president; this was during the campaign.

Sid: Even during the campaign how could that have that have been hidden? I mean we would think that there is at least one network that’s telling the truth?  Why isn’t that network at least telling us?

Gary: You know it’s as if there has been a complete media blackout on this.

Sid: How could, all right I’ll mention it, how could FOX News not, why aren’t you knocking on the door of O’Reilly and Beck and all of those other guys?

Gary: You know we’ve had several people who’ve had direct inside tracks allegedly to some of these people with FOX and who have tried to get some of my information into their hands including my book and we haven’t heard back anything.  This has been going on for a couple of years, so far nothing has happened.

Sid: But tell me the connection Gary, I have to understand this for myself, its one thing to have a cousin that’s a no good guy that murders people, but it’s another thing to help this person become president of the country, tell me that connection.

Gary: Okay, let me go back just for a moment if I may.  O’dinga himself personally did not kill those people, but his backers that were so upset that he was not elected that they then went out and torched 800 churches and over a 1,000 Christians were killed in Kenya at that time and so what happened.  So what happened was that things were in such disarray the government of Kenya finally said “Alright, let’s do this.”  So they made this man Prime Minister and Kenya along with another gentleman who holds the President position and so the two of them is ruling jointly right now.  So O’dinga is now in a very powerful position in Kenya as one of the top two leaders in that country.  Now in his interview, with BBC, O’dinga told them is “The World Today” or paper he stated that senator Obama’s father was his maternal uncle.  So Obama’s Father and O’dinga’s mother apparently were brother and sister, that’s the relationship right there.  Now let me move on from there, during the campaign O’dinga said that Mr. Obama had on Monday taken time out of campaigning for the New Hampshire primary to call him twice to express his concern and to say that he’d also be calling Mr. Kobaki, who is the President of Kenya.  And so he acknowledged that President Obama’s campaign he had been in direct contact with him.  And like I’ve said earlier we actually have pictures of them together meeting.  Now regarding the campaign financing it was the organ democratic movement party of which O’dinga was the top figure in that.  A memo that was given to the party from the treasurer which stated on it the various individuals contributing or the organizations contributing to the O’dinga’s campaign it listed an organization called, “Friends of Senator BO.” Standing for “Friends of Barack Obama” as having donated 66,000,000 Kenya shillings which is just under a $1,000,000 which is about $950,000 at the time based on the exchange at that time that was donated by this organization.  And this was an organization backing Obama and his presidential run consisting of many of his closest allies and friends.  And so it would be virtually impossible for him to not have known about that, you know when an organization in his name donates this money to his cousin in Kenya, who ends up then after the campaign being made Prime Minister of that country.  So this is, it really is explosive information, it is very important information.

Sid: If that had been known before the first Presidential campaign I don’t believe President Obama would have been President.

Gary: I agree with you that this would have been enough to tip the scales in direction, but it shows how closely is allied that at least in this case with this radical Islam concerning the fact that O’dinga was and still the top radical Islamic leader in Kenya.

Sid: Now, Gary your education also intrigues me, when you went to college, your major was in International Marketing and Economics.  You had three different majors actually, you graduated with top honors.  And they you became the Europe and Middle East Trade specialist for the State of Indiana, you traveled through some thirty different countries.  Did you at that time have any thought that you were being prepared to be literally God’s man to shout from the roof tops what’s going on?

Gary: Well, you know I remember even in the first year on my jobs, some of the opportunities that I had at such a young age, it was just almost mind boggling I had to pinch myself to see if this was really happening.  For example, only two months into the job, I was called upon to give the speech when a delegation of political leaders from Germany came here to visit Indiana.  And I remember the Governor of Indiana being there and the Lieutenant Governor, their wives and all these top leaders from Germany.  One of them was from the leader of the CDU Party at the time and here I was given this opportunity to address them and many things came out of that.  And then I lead a trade mission to seven different countries including Israel.

Sid: I’ll tell you what; let’s hold that thought because we’re out of time.

Craig: Sid, what I found was that many women don’t understand what does the Bible mean when the Apostle Paul says you’re to respect your husband.  She says, “Well, I respect him, you know I think he’s a nice guy and all that, but here’s what I’ve discovered respect really means, what every husband wants.  He wants to be accepted, he wants to be admired, he wants to be appreciated and I boil it down to a real simple thing; rather than being criticized for what he isn’t doing to meet her needs, he want to hear a message that says to him you’re a good husband.  What I find that many wives do to their husbands without realizing it, they are continuing sending their husband a message bad, bad husband you didn’t do this right, you didn’t do that right.  How come you pray for everybody else, you never pray for our family?  How come you’re always there for everybody else, you’re never there for us.  How come you did this wrong, you did that wrong, when are you going to rise up and be the spiritual head of our house and lead this family in prayer and all that kind of thing coming from a wife to husband feel I must be a miserable failure in her sight.  The other thing that I found was that wives don’t realize how sensitive the heart of husband is because he looks strong and yet on the inside she can deeply wound him through criticism and through judgment and through conveying to him that everything he does, or many things that he does are wrong.  You know I’m thinking that one of the biggest difficulties that wives have is to believe that their husband many, many times wound them without realizing it.  The thing that I’ve found is that is a deception for most wives.

Sid: They think that it’s intentional.

Craig: They do, that is exactly what they think, they think that he did that on purpose and when she confronts him and says “You hurt me, you did that, you took the kids to the State Fair, we were talking about, on purpose on the weekend when I was out of town just to hurt me. Well no, that’s not true; He didn’t even realize that, he wasn’t trying to do that.  Here’s the biggest thing that wives don’t realize; their husbands are not intentionally trying to hurt them.  And when a husband says, I don’t know I did anything wrong, I wasn’t trying to hurt you.  Most wives don’t believe them.  Let me give you this example Sid, it would be like this, suppose a wife was coming out of the grocery store with her hands full of groceries, full of bags of groceries and as she stepped out of the store a man walking down the sidewalk runs right into her, knocks those groceries out of her hands and the groceries are flying everywhere, and she angrily picking up those groceries and she looks up at him and says, “What’s wrong with you, why don’t  watch where you’re going, are you blind or something?”  And the man says, oh, I’m so sorry, yes as a matter of fact, I am blind, normally I go out with my seeing eye dog who helps me but unfortunately he was run over by a car yesterday and this is the first day to try to make it on my own and I guess I’m not doing too well, I’m so sorry.  And the woman stands up and had an immediate paradyne shift and change of heart and she says to him, “Oh had no idea I’m so sorry, where are you trying to go, may I help you?”  Now what changed the situation didn’t change, it was exactly the same; what changed was her understand of motive.  She understood that this man literally was blind and did not intentionally knock the groceries out of her hand, as opposed to this man is self consumed, unconcerned about anything else and just ran into me because he’s careless.  So that’s a totally different paradyne what I want most wives to know is this, you have married a blind man, please help the blind man don’t judge him, don’t condemn him.  I’ve found that more that 90% of the time when your husband offends you, wounds you, makes you feel that he doesn’t love you, doesn’t care about you it’s not intentional, it’s that he’s blind.  He honestly didn’t see it, he didn’t know it and when you confront him with it, expecting him to take responsibility and say, “Oh, you’re right and I’m so sorry please forgive me; the reason he doesn’t is he honestly can’t see it.”  And if you can get that in your heart as a wife, so that your motive and intent becomes, let me help him, rather than let me judge him, condemn him, and feel like he doesn’t care about me.  The reason he hurt you is not because he doesn’t care about you, the reason he hurt you is because he didn’t see it, he didn’t know it.  And if you can allow that paradyne shift to take place in your heart as a wife so that you begin to understand his heart.  He really does love me; he really does care about me; if you can do that as a wife that is a simple natural step that you can take that will begin to supernaturally change your marriage.  What I mean by that is what you can do today, is when your husband comes home, or when you see him ask him that question; “Have I made you feel like you don’t do anything right in my sight; have I made you feel judged and criticized, and then just listen to his heart?  If he says yes, ask him to forgive you and tell him you love him, you admire him.  Another thing that I’ve found Sid, one other thing is that husbands work very, very hard.  They put up with a lot at work sometimes a mean boss, sometimes mean customers, sometimes many pressures and difficulties at work.  The reason they do that is because they love their family; because they love their wife, they love their children and there’s one word that convey word that conveys great value to a husband that many husband’s never hear from their wife.  And that word is simply this, thank you.  Thank you for all the pressure there, thank you for all you put up with at work, I know you do that because you love me, you love our family, I so admire you, thank you for working so hard for us, appreciate you, I admire you, you’re my husband, you’re a gift from God.  And you know if you will do that tonight for your husband it will begin to change something instantaneously in your relationship.  He will begin to open his heart back up again, that is the one thing that husbands are waiting to hear is that simple word from a wife, thank you, I appreciate you.  That is what we perceive as respect, that’s what Paul is talking about in Ephesians Chapter 5 and I find that most wives are not seeing that or totally oblivious to that and they think that if I just tell them all the things that he did wrong that he’ll change.  And what does is convey a relational message to the husband that you’re a failure in my sight that deeply wounds him and he will close up and withdraw.  So that’s a critical thing.  On the other side, I wound my wife many times without realizing it and if I will stop and ask her how I’ve made her feel, and once I understand that and apologize even though I don’t think I was wrong I may not have been wrong on a topical issue but if I was wrong in the way I communicated to her in making her feel valueless and if I repent and take responsibility for that and ask her to forgive me, again it will supernaturally release the Holy Spirit to begin to heal the spirit of that marriage.

Sid: I can tell you when I read that in your book it just hit me so hard it’s so right and I just never looked at it that way, I looked at black, you know I’m a prophetic type person, everything is black and white and there is no room for that second level that unseen level.

Craig: Exactly and many times, I can be right on the topic level, I don’t think the man that took the kids to the State Fair, he wasn’t wrong, he was right to take his kids to the State Fair but what he was wrong in was not understanding what happened to his wife in being willing to deal with her feelings and convey value and love to her.  And that’s what Apostle Paul says in Ephesians 5:32 & 33 is that he is to love her and she is to respect him and again if we don’t know what that means then we are very busy doing exactly the opposite and not realizing that we are doing it and doing damage to the spirit of our marriage, wounding each other and wondering why we aren’t having a very pleasant experience.

Ron: The angelic visitation is here, I feel like there are two angels with me right now.  One is an angel of joy here right now and this angel goes to the pulpit with me every Sunday and stands at my right and he has been so manifestly powerful even in the old building.  He came to the new building with us and people that step into that territory will feel like laughing; which is another manifestation that frightens people is when joy comes.  I have felt that this Joy angel is here and I know that this angel called Noble is, we talked about it on an earlier program has promised to give me favor.  And I believe he’s going to give you favor and favor with people that are listening that the Holy Spirit is going to move and motivate them to help you get the word out; I just believe they are here that favor has come.  And you know when you get to the Book of Revelation angelic activity, you’ve got seven angels of churches, you’ve got seven angels throwing out bowls and blowing trumpets, angels are preaching everlasting gospel.  There is, we are experiencing already an increase in angelic activity.

Sid: Why are we experiencing this increase in angelic activity?

Ron: I think what you said in yesterday’s program, “Man is coming to end of himself.” we cannot, the problems cannot be solved.  It’s like Jesus said in Luke 21, “Man’s heart failing from fear from the things coming on the earth for the powers of heaven will be shaken.”  And I think that people today are again believing in the supernatural, that’s why your programs so important and they need to know the truth about the supernatural so that they are not deceived.  And we know that we can’t do what we need to do, we can’t have what we need to have, we can’t go where we need to go without the supernatural power of God through the Holy Spirit and through the fort the host which He has provided.  He said in Hebrews 1:14 that He sent those angels that they might serve all of us who are heirs of salvation.  And so we need to get these angels out of the unemployment line and back out there with us.

Sid: Now the Bible also says that many of us entertain angels unawares.  Well, do you believe that there are many occasions that people have angelic help and they aren’t even aware of it?

Ron: Yes and when I began to preach this in our church and teach it to our people which I have been doing; just finished.  We have had hundreds of people who have now realized that that person that they met on the job; or that person that they thought helped them was an angel.  Let me give you one example; Coach Mike Duboist, who coaches Mill Saps College in Jackson, Mississippi.  Coach Duboist and his wife years ago lived in Chattanooga and they moved to Hattiesburg, Mississippi were unpacking there house when they heard a knock at the door.  Went to the door and their two year old child was standing there with a radiant looking woman.  The child had never before climbed out of its bed; he climbed went out the back door and was found standing in the middle of an intersection of cars.  Two years old, the child had taken his big wheel maybe two or three years old or somewhere in that range.  This woman brought the child back and was standing at the door and Ms Duboist got the child in, she was weeping she turned around, she turned back around the woman vanished; she never saw her again, never met her again.  It was their first day, her first day in Hattiesburg; moving in to the house the football team there had provided for them.  And it was years before she realized that God had manifested himself an angel and as a woman I think so the child wouldn’t be frightened; and to bring that child home.  Yes Sir, I believe that angels unawares.

Sid: And but also there’s so much supernatural protection, your first experience with an angel resulted in supernatural experience, explain that.

Ron: Yes sir, I was driving my 56 Ford to fast (chuckle) toward Newton, Mississippi to Clark College where I went for a year before I went to Sanford University.  And as I was driving in that direction I saw a bridge abutment in front of me and a car passed another car and ran me off the road toward that bridge abutment.  And I just kind of closed my eyes turned the car towards the bridge because I didn’t want to hit the other car.  And when I opened my eyes I was off the road, but I pulled back on the road past the bridge and never hit the bridge; I believe and angel lifted my car.  The very same year I was coming home from the same school riding with a friend in a brand new Pontiac GTO and a trailer truck came over in our lane and ran us off the road and we did three flips and I felt like somebody like somebody had thrown a mattress of protection around me; while the man driving the car was injured I walked away from a total out wreck without a scratch or even a piece of torn clothes.  I didn’t realize back then that God was supernaturally protecting me to prepare me for what he wanted me to do.

Sid: You talk about a vicious chow dog that had some supernatural protection of someone that you knew.

Ron: Yeah, Ginny Greecemere in our church and Jenny’s husband is president of a huge appliance corporation, these are solid sharp people.  She use to have a direct sales business like woman have you know when she was delivering product to the door of a friend that had bought from her.  The friend warned her had said, don’t come in the backyard, because our Chow, were going to have to get rid of him because he’s biting, he’s vicious, we don’t know what’s wrong with him.  So Ginny said, “Don’t worry I’ll put it on the front porch,” so Ginny went up the front porch, left the product, when she turned the Chow was standing on the sidewalk between the…

Sid: This is the Chow dog.

Ron: A Chow dog growling, snarling threatening her and she said, she said right then, she said, “Lord send an angel right now and I command that angel to move that dog out of my way and put him back in the backyard.”  Immediately, Ginny saw that dog’s head pushed down to the ground, him turned away from her, pushed towards the fence and like he was being drugged out of her way; she walked to her car and that dog never whimpered again.  She knows that Psalm 91 came true, “He’ll give His angels charge over you, less you stump your toe, less you kick your foot against a stone.”  That angel came, but I want to tell you she had to speak to that angel, that angel moves out when the word of God is voiced, that’s what Psalms says.  We’ve got to speak to activate that angel.  The angels can’t read your mind, you’ve got to speak and ask their assistance; they’re not going to move in on you.  When you come to that encounter ask the Holy Spirit to help you and say, “Angels, get out there and help.”  And I challenge everyone listening today to try this, to do it.

Sid: Well, in your heart of hearts isn’t this the reason you wrote the book?

Ron: Yes Sir, the truth is if you ask Strang, Strang picked up a series of my teaching on this and asked me to do it.  I didn’t want to do it; I just…it was one of those things that it kind of my secrets and the things that God had done in my life and I didn’t want everybody to know about it and that was wrong.  And now I know that people need this help and that we’ve got to release it out there.  You know that you ask me about “The Angel Unawares” here’s something very important.  That’s in the context of ministers, visiting and when you read through the whole context of that passage.  You know, Benny Hinn used our building for his partner conference last year and as usual in this area there were those that were criticizing him.  And Holy Spirit told me that angel unawares is not only those encounters that we have but say Sid Roth came to Abba House to preach and someone disrespected you.  The angels that came with you would be insulted and angelic activity be interrupted on that person’s behalf.  It’s very important to know that; don’t be speaking against the man of God or the woman of God who are out there no matter what you’ve heard.  Because they come with a company of angels with them and you don’t want to insult those angels because those angels have come to press their ministry and to help the community that they’ve come to.  That something that you’ve never heard around that text before but I think in context it’s true.

Sid: I think that that’s very important, but it’s in line with the greatest is love.  The greatest gift so it’s in line with walking in love in the last days and what you’re saying is there is a tie in between walking in love and angelic activity.

Ron: Exactly is and when we becoming loving and serving and welcoming angels serve that way.  The angelic activity increases and when we receive other people that’s why the idea of receiving angels unawares.  If you receive another human being that God is touching or that God has a need the angelic activity around them combines with what’s going on in your life to increase the strength that’s around you.  You know sometimes we don’t understand how an angelic favor can just be released on us in a moment. I was just out a little place called The Rush to workout and I was over there and I was going to get a protein shake on my way out and I could tell the girl was harried and busy but I wanted that shake and I said, “Lord I need some angelic help here she is too busy to do this and well, she is going to be rude and help me Lord and angels come and help.”  And so I told her what I wanted and she said, “Well, okay and she went over to mix it and the Lord said, “Give her double the money, give her a tip equal to the cost of that shake.”  So I did, I gave her that extra, I said, “I want you to have this.”  She looked up at me and said, “Well, I want to give you an extra large instead of a small and she began to smile and I said, “Are you a Christian?” and she said, “Yes, but I haven’t had a good day.”  I said, “Well, you need to know that your Joy Angel is here and she laughed out loud and I walked out the door with that milkshake; double size in my hand.”

Sid: It plain doesn’t matter what’s going to happened to the world economy; what’s going to happen with terrorism; what’s going to happen with disease as long as you know how to activate the angels and stand on the word of God.  No weapon formed against you will prosper…

Sid: My guest in the studio is Co Producer of It’s Supernatural Television and Messianic Radio, Janie DuVall who’s also a Jewish Believer in Jesus and on yesterday’s broad cast you found out about what happened when I became radical, Red Hot, normal believer in Jesus.  And you found out about how we started one of the first Messianic Jewish Synagogues in the United States and we bumped into a major revival.  Janie, it is so wonderful to be in revival, every week Jewish people were coming to know Jesus.

Janie: And you said that was a freedom there, you said that you knew nothing.  The two keys to me were that you were hungry and you were like little children that didn’t know anything and you just wanted Jesus, so you saw miracles.

Sid: And then, they realized I didn’t know much and so we got a Messianic Jewish Rabbi, a wonderful man of God, Manny Brotman who was ahead of an organization called the Messianic office so we shared office space and I have found, I would like to say that God’s Spirit lead me into the most significant things I’ve ever done.  But that would be a lie, and I can’t say that.  I have been literally pushed into the most significant things.

Janie: Is that including being on the radio?

Sid: Including being on the radio; I’ll tell you how it happened.  I was in the oil business as I said sharing office space with Manny Brotman and I was able to supernaturally able to do my job so I devoted most of my time as a volunteer for Manny doing Jewish Ministry with him.  And he really mentored me in understanding Jewish ministry.  One day, a man from a Christian radio station comes in and says, “Manny you should do a radio show,” and then Manny said, “Well, I want you involved in this Sid.”  And I said, “Sure, and I’ll be the behind the scenes person.”  He said, “No, no you’ll be the announcer.”  And I said, “I don’t want to be at a microphone.”  And I mean, that was the last thing I wanted to do.

Janie: So you were pushed.

Sid: He forced me.  So I was the announcer, I have to tell you Janie, my first radio show I thought that I could wing it; I could not…

Janie: What was it like; no really what was it like?

Sid: It was awful.

Janie: Ha-ha-ha-ha.

Sid: I mean I was awful, it was awful and so the next day, I wrote every word down.  I’m just the announcer mind you; I’m not doing anything beyond announcing.  I wrote every word down and I read it and it came out okay.  But then an amazing thing happened; every time Manny had to interview someone for the radio show something would happen.  Every single time and so if I didn’t do the job the show wouldn’t be done!

Janie: Oh, you mean something would happen, he would be not there and you would have to do it for him.

Sid: Oh, that’s what I meant.

Janie: Oh, so you replaced, oh wow, how interesting you really were pushed into this!

Sid: I know and I found out that I had a gift to interview, I would have never known that in a zillion years; and then TV was even more amazing.  Now you at that time, you’d been working for me what eighteen years?

Janie: Well, basically I started in 1988 and then in 1995 I knew that you were supposed to be on TV; I knew that the world needed to see the miracles that we’ve been talking about on the radio; but they needed to see it.  And so in 1995 that’s when we started the TV.

Sid: Well, the way we started it was supernatural.

Janie: It’s very amazing.

Sid: A women, a friend of mine, a Jewish believer in the Messiah called me up and said, “Sid, I’ve just deposited $25,000 in your name at a Christian Television Studio in Canada, go do your television show.  And of course before I could tell her that I didn’t have a TV Show; and then when I told you about it.  You said, “Oh, I’ve always wanted you to do it,” and so I got into TV because someone called me and that’s what I’m saying; “I’ve been pushed into everything that I’ve ever done for the Lord.”  But you know,  as I go back in time I see God’s hand even as a young Jewish boy when I was very, very young.

Janie: When you were young did you; okay you were brought up in Orthodox Jewish home.

Sid: Right.

Janie: Did you think about God at all?

Sid: God was a fire to me; I got that from my Father who got that from Moses and the burning bush and so no, God was not in my thoughts.  I probably would have said, “I think that there’s a God; I believe there’s a God.”  But He just wasn’t relevant to me.

Janie: Now, when you were six years old you had, I mean you were very afraid and what was that; you had these reoccurring thoughts; what was that?

Sid: Well, my Mother and Father use to be away at night; they use to gamble, they’d play poker and so I would be alone at night and I remember saying to myself, “I wish they’d come home, I wish they’d come home.”  Somehow I thought as a little kid, if I said it enough, they might come home and then a thought popped into my head; now I know where the thought came from.  At the time; the thought was.  I mean just out of the blue this thought pops into my head.  “What happens when you die?”  And as a little child; and of course Judaism believes in life after death but we never talked about it.

Janie: So you didn’t know about Heaven.

Sid: No, I didn’t know about anything, so I figured my logical mind was well, in this was the progression; “When you die that’s the end of you.”  So, then as a little child, I began to try to imagine, “What life would be like if I no longer existed.”

Janie: Oooo

Sid: And Janie, the thought was worse than ooo, it was so bad; whatever was me I wanted to continue living I didn’t want it to stop.  And so I did the only logical thing I could do; I block it from my mind until many years later.

Janie: “Now, did you ever hear the name Jesus, did anyone ever say anything to you about Jesus growing up?”

Sid: I do remember a little anti-Semitism, I remember someone threatening me because I was Jewish, but I’ve had very little anti-Semitism, Jesus wasn’t relevant, I’m Jewish.  Jewish people don’t believe in Jesus, so therefore he was totally irrelevant, I was happy with my religion, to be candid, with you although I was happy with my religion, I didn’t like going to synagogue because it was very boring.  I went to an Orthodox Jewish Synagogue; everything was in Hebrew; I didn’t understand a word of what was.

Janie: So it wasn’t relevant,

Sid: It was agony is what it was and I remember I had a goal in life and I think it came from my great mentor, television.  And the goal in life was to become a millionaire before I was age thirty.  And I remember I blinked my eyes a few times and I graduated college; I blinked my eyes a few more times I was married; I blinked my eyes a few times I had a child; I blinked my eyes a few more times I had a wonderful job as a an account executive with at the time with the largest stock brokerage firm in the world, Meryl Lynch.

Janie: So did it look like you were getting close to being that millionaire?

Sid: By age twenty-nine, I knew I would not be a millionaire by thirty, I would have been a millionaire when I retired, I had a wonderful career ahead of myself, but it dawned on me I’m not going to be a millionaire and therefore I’m not going to be happy.  And so therefore I have to do something about it; and I had what’s known as an early midlife crisis; I’m not proud of it, but I left my job; I Ieft my wife; I left my daughter and I went searching for happiness.  But you know if you don’t know what you’re looking for it’s a big world out there.

Janie:  “So what were you, so when you finally got out there in the world was anything making you even happy that you thought was making you happy or did you know that you were miserable?”

Sid: Well, to be candid with you I got married when I was young and I figured I missed the whole singles scene and I got involved in that and I felt that it was awful.  I mean it was absolutely the pits.  And so almost a year went by and things weren’t better, things were worse; I had been involved in an investment company, I had some employees working for me and one day one of my employees said, “Sid, I have a friend that had no physic ability and he took this meditation course and now he knows things that he never could have known before.”  And it was almost a compulsion on my part, I said, “I’ve got to meet your friend and I was in Washington, DC and his friend was in New Jersey.  And I drove to New Jersey to meet his friend and his friend told me all about this and so I immediately took this course because I figured if I could know things that my mind hadn’t been programmed, I then could make money, if I made money, I still might be a millionaire before age thirty and I could be happy.

Janie: But, you were such a logical guy, how could you even believe in that supernatural, even that kind of supernatural or were you desperate?

Sid: No, it wasn’t even that, I was actually always interested in the supernatural.  I would go to fortune tellers and people that would tell you your fortune through reading cards.  So and what I found is most of these New Age groups are loaded with Jewish people.

Janie: It’s true,

Sid: It says in the Bible we have zeal for God, but not according to knowledge.  And so if people won’t tell us about Jesus and they don’t, well then we’re going to end up in the counterfeit.

Janie: That’s right, the wrong supernatural.

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to experience true joy and the only way that you can experience true joy is to be in the Messiah; having Him Lord over every area of your life.  There is nothing to compare to that.  My guest John Waller knows what I’m talking about, some of you are familiar with him many of you familiar with John Waller.  If you saw the movie “Fire Proof” which was the number one independent movie in 2008 the theme song of “Fire Proof” which was “While I’m waiting” that was John Waller.  And it’s very very interesting how he wrote that had nothing to do with the movie.  But I just listened to his brand new CD called “As for Me and My House” and I can’t listen to it enough!  John Waller you’re getting not just this One, but your other CDs which will make available.  You’re literally, I told you before we even got on the air that I believe that when people hear the first cut of this brand new CD “As for Me and My House” that they’re going to be healed and delivered and set free in an amazing fashion.  What has the Spirit of God told you because it’s new about this?

John: Well, that’s exactly what I’ve been told for quite some time now, you know just prophetic words about this music going out and healing people.  It’s the Word of God; I pretty much plagiarized the Word of God.  I take the Word of God and I put it to music because I know that there is power in the Word of God and when it goes out it doesn’t return void.  But I believe that there is a prophetic voice that is in some of these songs particularly “Our God Reigns Here!”  That is an incredible declaration and also it empowers the Body of Christ to use the authority that they have been given in the Messiah, in Yeshua to be able to come against any spirit of the enemy that is tormenting them.  And I can, we’ll get to it later, but I for years suffered from depression; so I know what tormenting spirits are like.  And so I’m just thankful for the opportunity that is going to go out through your program.

Sid: Well, you know what?  Before we even get into the interview I want to hear that, I personally want to hear that again.  As a matter of fact John, I was thinking of just doing some sort of a CD loop and just playing that whenever I’m not in my home so when I get into my home, the atmosphere will be cleanest it possible could be.

John: That is an atmosphere changer, that song.

Sid: I want you to hear this and see whether you agree with us or not.

Excerpt of “Our God Reigns by John Waller:

Sid: Now that was “Our God Reigns by John Waller and you’re familiar with him if you saw the movie “Fire Proof” because he wrote the theme music of that which is called “While I’m Waiting”  and if you like that music you’ll like all of his music.  As a matter of fact John Waller when you were in college you told me you memorized a lot of scripture.  Why did you do it then?

John: Well, I had a roommate, I was a freshman and my roommate was a senior and had been walking with the Lord for quite a few years and he taught me how to systematically memorize scripture and how to hide the Word of God in my heart and how important that was.  And so he just told me that I should do it; so I was like okay, I’ll do it and I began to memorize so many verses and by the end of my Freshman year I had memorized over one hundred and fifty verses.  And I started writing songs that year, my freshman year in college so the Word of God would just naturally come out; it’s what you put in comes out.

Sid: When you were seventeen you had an encounter with the Lord and you understood true repentance, I think that’s a word that is not really mentioned that much anymore.

John: It’s not, in fact I was raised in a Southern Baptist Church and my understanding of the gospel and salvation was simply more of fire insurance kind of approach it was just a you know just confess that Jesus is Lord now and be baptized and that’s pretty much it.  And yet you know, lives aren’t changed I mean what is the problem?  The problem is that there’s no repentance and Jesus taught repentance.  I mean you take up your cross and you die to yourself and you follow Him you know and I had never done that.  I prayed the simple prayer and I had been baptized and yet all my life had never reflected any fruit and yet Jesus said, “A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, a bad tree cannot bear good fruit;” and yet my life had no fruit and I understood that for the first time as a seventeen year old young man and I decided you know what Lord, I never really followed You, so I don’t know You.  And so I gave my life to Him at seventeen and I’ve never looked back.

Sid: Can you image what your life would have been like with all that you went through and will find out on tomorrow’s broadcast if you hadn’t had the word hidden in your heart?

John: I don’t even want to think about where I would be.

Sid: I understand.

Joel: Thank you Sid, this is an incredibly important scripture that many interpreters over the past fifty years and even down through church history have ignored because it specifically says that at the time of the end and it even says, that “Those of your brothers that sleep in the dust of the ground will awaken.”  This is talking about the end times, the time when the resurrection of the dead takes place.  It says “In the last days this book would be unsealed and understood,” and as much as possible I tried to adhere to a historical Christian Orthodoxy. I try not to, you know to make up my own doctrines, I want to adhere to those things that have been believed by the church down through history, but if there has ever been a verse which is essentially invites a contrarian interpretation, this verse says that down through history the church was believed that the book of Daniel was largely pointing us to the Roman Empire.  And we’ve heard this so much coming out of a lot or prophecy circles since the days of the Jesus Movement and Hal Lindsey and “Left Behind” and so forth.  And much of the world today is looking for the revival of a European Roman Empire from which we will have the Anti-Christ and so forth, but again if that is what the whole book of Daniel is talking about Daniel 2 with the metallic statue, Daniel 7 with the four gruesome beasts.

Sid: Well, we’ve been looking for the ten nations to come together in Europe to form that confederacy, I mean there’s is a whole scenario along these lines

Joel: Right and if the majority position, if the position that has been held by the vast majority throughout history is accurate then that verse which says, “This book will be sealed until the end,” does not mean a thing!  It doesn’t mean a thing and so what I’ve been expressing to people is that when we look at this classic passage, this metallic statue, the Bible gives us some very clear criteria to identify that fourth empire.  In Daniel 2:40 it says, “That when this empire arises it will crush all of the others,” and the others of course are Babylon, Persia and Greece.  And for those modern minds that are not given to ancient history, just think Iraq, Iran and Turkey and Greece.  And the question that we have to ask ourselves is did the Roman Empire conquer Iraq, Iran and Greece and the answer is partially.  It conquered part of Greece, it conquered the very edges of Iraq and Babylon, but it never even came close to Persia and this was an essential thing.  The Roman Empire does not meet the basic Biblical criteria laid out to qualify as the fourth empire, but there is an empire that does.

Sid: But if what you’re saying is true then most of the scenario’s I’ve read on the ones we’ve mentioned and the ones we haven’t mentioned, see the antichrist and the antichrist system coming out of Europe.  If what you’re saying is correct and it sure sounds, makes sense to me that will not occur.

Joel: Well, exactly and again the imagination of the church is fixed, the prophetic end time imagination of the earth today, of the church is fixed on the Roman Empire, the EU, the European Union and so forth.  What I’m setting forth is an eschatology that is thoroughly Jerusalem, Israel and Middle Eastern centric.  I’m trying to call the church back to a Middle Eastern mindset to recognize that this Book that we look to to understand the days to come has always been an Eastern Book, it’s a Jewish book.  And unfortunately we here in the west, we Americans, we have a very American centric mentality.  We tend to even believe that the Bible was primarily written for Americans and we tend to read our world view into the pages of the Bible and unfortunately it wasn’t written primarily for us.  And so I’m calling people back to understand the centrality of Israel in the end time passages.  All of the prophets are speaking about the coming of the Anti Christ that will come out of the surrounding nation.  There called the goy subbed or the goyim subbed; the surrounding nations, the nation’s roundabout and those are the nations around about Israel.  They’re all Islamic nations today and they all bear that same anti-Semitic spirit that all the precious empires carried with them; whether it be Babylon or Medo-Persian or Greece they all carried the anti-Semitic, anti-Yahweh spirit and they came against the Jewish people.  It’s exactly what we see throughout the Middle East today.

Sid: And you go on to explain Matthew 24 verse 10 to 13.  And the Greek actually says that something is going to happen in the end-times that will cause the love of most go grow cold.

Joel: Well, exactly.  Now imagine this and imagine if the over arching majority of the church is convinced that we’re going to see the anti-Christ come out of Europe, when in fact the anti-Christ could very well be emerging right before our eyes in the Middle East and I don’t know who the anti-Christ is now, but instead of looking to the east.  You know imagine this Sid, the church is a city on a hill; imagine an ancient city, and ancient walled city and many in the church are called to be watchman, watchman on the wall.  And what we have is we have hundreds of watchman and their all gathered on the western wall and there’s a few people that are saying watchman we need to bring some people to the eastern wall, we need to balance this thing out.  We need to be looking in all directions considering all position and the majority of the church is saying no, we know that the anti-Christ comes from Europe.  Is this not much different than the days when Jesus came the first time when Yeshua came and the Pharisees were convinced that they understood eschatology and as a result they missed the coming of the Messiah?

Sid: Well, I’m told that when people go through this three DVD series called “Islam and The End Times,” ninety-nine percent of the people when they see it so clear on all the end-time theology God’s given you they agree with what they’ve heard.

Joel: You know I get emails and letters and so forth everyday and the thing that I hear over and over again is that they say, “Joel, you know I got saved during the Jesus movement and I read “The Late Great Planet Earth” and that impacted me; when Israel became a nation that was powerful.  But since those days I’ve become cynical and I’ve turned away for a study of the end times, I’ve come to you know just get a skeptical, cynical perspective on these things.  But when I heard you lay these things out for the first time in twenty years, my heart was awakened and I knew the things that you were saying were true and I bore witness in my spirit; it made sense it was easy to understand and I am stirred a fresh to give myself to holiness in preparing for the coming of the Lord.”  I get emails like this constantly.

Sid: But let me give you my spin on the end times, there’s one thing that I know for sure.  What I know for sure is the popular scenario that most Christians have been taught, the one thing I know for sure is that it’s not correct.  Now I didn’t know for sure what was correct, but I knew for sure that that wasn’t correct and that alone when people look at those scenarios as if it’s scripture that’s going to throw them off when things are very different in the end times.

Joel: It’s a dangerous reality and unfortunately Sid, what we have today is that we have many people that are very very good students of their teachers, they’re not always good students of the Bible.  And we need teachers today that can teach the scriptures clearly, but who also call the people to be Bereans and to dig into the scriptures with a prayerful heart to understand and to look for and to ask the Holy Spirit to teach them about the things shortly about to take place on the earth.  These events are real, there has to be a generation that would see these things and again because of the things in the book of Daniel and throughout the Bible are being opened up that is proof that in fact, we are living in the end times.

Sid: Well, one of the things that I find fascinating is God’s directed you to live in the Middle East and you studied Islam, you lived among Muslims and you began to see similarities between what the Bible refers to as the anti-Christ and what Islam refers to as the Mahadi or their messiah.

Joel: Exactly, when I began to study what Muslims believe about the end times and believe me I have literally read every book in the world that has been published in English on this subject.  What I saw was that Islam teaches about the end times is a perfect anti-parallel to what the Bible teaches.  They have literally taken the Biblical story about the end times flipped it on its head.  They’ve made their anti-Christ into our Messiah; they’ve made our Messiah, into their Anti-Christ vice versa.  Everything that we look to as holy they call blasphemy; everything that we believe to be evil, they say is godly.  When it comes to anti-Semitism we see as a mark of the anti-Christ, they see that as the mark of the coming messiah, the coming Islamic messiah.  In fact Muslims actually teach that one of the marks of the anti-Christ is that he will be followed by Jews; that he will be Jewish and he will claim to be Jesus Christ the Devine Son of God.

Sid: Muslims claim he will be Jewish.

Joel: Yeah, they claim that the anti-Christ will be Jewish

Sid: Oh, I see.

Joel: They call him, Ah dajjal, so in Islam their belief about the Anti-Christ, they call him Ah Dajjal Desi.

Sid: So that’s going to justify even more, add fuel to the fire of their anti-Semitism.

Joel: Oh, absolutely, oh numerous when you read the Islamic books about the end times it is a mixture of anti-Semitic conspiracy theory.  The protocols of the elders of Zion, all of this Anti-Semitic stuff mixed with end time things; mixed with all sorts of conspiracy theories that are wildly popular throughout the Middle East.

Sid: And yet, what basic Koran Islam teaches is the opposite of what the Bible says about the Messiah.

Joel: Exactly, not only the Koran but the Islamic sacred traditions known as the Hadee.

Sid: I tell you what, we’re out of time.

Kevin: Well, Jesus was filled with compassion and we need to be filled with compassion and once we’re filled with compassion then we are compelled by compassion to reach out and touch those who are around us just like Jesus did with the leper in Mark Chapter 1 verses 40 through 42.  You know, “Being filled with compassion he reached out and touched the man and said, I am willing, be clean.”  And so I think that we just need to ask for more of that compassion, not only to see the one that has the need, but to stop for the one and then help the one that has the need and then realize that we have what it takes to bring the answer to their life.

Sid: Now, most Christians think in terms of, “Well if someone is sick, I’ll bring them to my church when my church has a healing service.”  But you tell people go out where the sick people are and you may even see better results.

Kevin: Absolutely, there are times when I walk into a hospital and I’ll go into the emergency room waiting area and I’ll say “Hey, if you don’t want to wait for the doctor I can take care of you now, because I consider myself and a physician’s assistant.”  I assist the great physician and so I like to go where sick people are.  I’ll never forget my son and I we walked into a hospital one time, we were going to visit somebody and I was walking past the emergency room waiting areas and I said to my son and the pastor we were with I said, “We, need to go right in here and take care of these people.”  And on the way back out I did, I said “Hey, does anybody here have a problem with their left knee?”  And sure enough a guy has a problem with the left knee, so I’m praying for him and the daughter has whip lash and she’s in the emergency room to get that taken care of.  She gets healed; my son’s healing somebody with a back injury and the pastor’s there with his jaw down to the ground as we’re healing everybody that’s in this waiting room.  And you know it’s just that easy, taking some risks, knowing that we’re physician assistants so to speak and just going out and doing the stuff.

Sid: There is such a presence of the Spirit of God that has just come, and this actually has been on the whole interview but especially strong today.  What does God want to do today to our listeners?

Kevin: Well, He certainly wants us to be whole, He wants us to be healed, He wants us to be encouraged, you know He wants us to be empowered and equipped.  And you know my heart more than anything else is that we would know God’s goodness for ourselves.  That we would know that God’s in a good mood towards us and that the good news is not towards others it’s towards us as well.  And that we would experience healing in our own lives.

Sid: You know you talk about laying hands on ourself.

Kevin: Ha-ha-ha yeah, you know I’ve done it myself, I’ve called out my own word of knowledge before.  I’ve stood up in a meeting where they were giving words of knowledge.  I had a rotator cuff injury for eight months and I had everybody pray for it and nothing was seemingly happening.  It wasn’t getting any better and so there were sixty Words of knowledge given out and it was a Randy Clark Healing School that I was at and towards the end I knew that he was getting ready to shut down the words of knowledge and I wanted my right rotator cuff healed.  So I stood up myself, I turned around to the audience and 750 people and I called out right rotator cuff and immediately I was healed and I’ve been healed ever since; this has been about three or four years.

Sid: So that wasn’t a word of knowledge per se as what you wanted God to manifest at that moment.

Kevin: That’s right it was just faith that rose up in me and hunger and you know He rewards the hungry.  You know Heaven is attracted to hunger and when we’re hungry for something God just comes and He brings it.  It’s like the persistent widow that comes before the judge and she gets what she wants.

Sid: Well, do you know what I noticed in reading your book, many times you’ll pray for someone and nothing will manifest, but the next day, but even the next week you’ll find out that they were healed.

Kevin: That’s exactly right, when I pray He comes.  And when He comes He does good things because He is a good God and a good mood and that’s the good news.  And so I pray with confidence every single time I pray, knowing not believing, not hoping not expecting, but knowing that God comes.  It’s like ultra sound, you can’t see it, you can’t feel it, you can’t smell it; and it goes into your muscles and it starts to work inside there and it starts doing things that you can’t comprehend in you know in the outside.  And the Kingdom of God is kind of like that it’s like spiritual ultrasound and it’s going in there and it’s doing job.  And if we learn to give thanks for what God is doing, even when we just feel His presence it opens up an avenue for further breakthrough even in giving thanks.  It’s like Jesus with the feeding of the 5,000 when he told his disciples to feed them and they looked at the resource that they had 5 loaves and 2 fish and they said, “We don’t have enough,” and they didn’t.  Jesus took the same resource, gave thanks and he got breakthrough and He got abundance, He got leftovers.  And so it’s the same way in healing, you know if you’re only 5% improved after you release the Kingdom His presence on you and you begin to give thanks; often times what will happen is that it will increase and more breakthrough will come.  I’ve seen that more than anything else that people they’ll get a little measure even just a little bit of it, maybe they’re just feeling peace; the peace  of God and I’ll encourage them to give thanks for His presence in the peace.  And they’ll do that and they’re tumors will dissolve, their cancers will leave, their bones will mend, the creative miracles will happen.

Sid: I believe if you will sing over people right now, the creative miracles will happen.

Kevin: Alright then, well take it.  It’s the end of the pain as you know it’s the end of your pain as you know it, it’s the end of your pain as you know it, you feel fine.  Ha-ha now sing that over yourself.

Sid: It’s the end of the pain as you know it; it’s the end of your pain as you know it, it’s the end of your pain as you know it, you feel fine.

Kevin: Ha-ha, that’s right, so just take that now, take His presence and let it permeate every organ of your body, every cell of your body, every bone, every joint and be in health, be in wholeness.  And just realize that as you receive this now that you have the same ability to release it to those around you.  In fact we had a gal who her jaw was totally numb and the dentist had severed her nerve in her jaw, she couldn’t feel her jaw; she couldn’t feel her chin. And the doctor said that it would take at least ten months to get feeling back if it would ever come back at all.  She sang that song immediately the feeling came back in her jaw and her chin, in her whole face.  The next week her brother was in a car accident and he was in a coma in another state.  She went up there, the whole family was there, she sang this song over her brother who was in a coma and when she finished the last line and he came out of the coma and he was totally healed.  And so I just release that same impartation right now to everybody who’s listening, that you are physician’s assistant, that you have what it takes to bring the Kingdom into any situation through the compassion of Father God, the Father of Compassion.  And that when you release His Kingdom good things happen because God is in a good mood and He doing good things and that’s the good news.  And a yeah…

Sid: Well, Mishpochah he just released a key to you and some of you might have missed it, but I certainly didn’t miss it.  I’ve often wondered when someone says well, if you’re 5% healed thank God, well, I haven’t felt 5% healed, but I certainly felt the presence of God and I could be, I missed it and you missed it, you could have been thanking God.  I certainly have been thinking about the goodness of God, He’s been revealing Himself to me.  Begin praising God in that type of an atmosphere and guess what, God can’t resist that.

John Paul: Well, I see people because of economic issues, because of fuel issues, travel issues ect, house churches are going to be growing and you are going to see incredible things happening because of the unity of the believers and in the group of the house churches combined with “The Perfect Storm” of religion, politics, economics, war and geophysical events that are going to be transpiring, you are going to see people drawing closer to God and closer to each other, closer to the family and closer to God.

Sid: Now you also see a lot of churches going under for economic reasons.

John Paul: There’s going to be some major churches that will end up closing the doors because of financial issues, they won’t be able to make their payments.  There are churches that have 100,000 a month payments right now on their facilities and they aren’t going to be able to make those payments.  So major churches are going to go under and that will also cause house churches to flourish.  In this issue of the House Churches you are going to see with that intimacy with each other and the growing intimacy with God you are going to begin to see God pouring out His Spirit into those people and you are going to start seeing people rising up with the greater amount of signs and wonders that the consistency of signs and wonders that we haven’t been seeing in a while, a long time actually.

Sid: Can you be a little more specific?

John Paul: Well, you are going to see people praying and having food placed on the tables.  You are going to seeing people praying and seeing gasoline put in their cars.  You are going to see groups of people gathered together and the power of agreement is what I heard in the vision, the power of agreement watch the power of agreement.  And it’s not just one person, it is the effectual and the fervent and James said it.  The fervent and the effectual prayer of a righteous man avails much, when you put righteous people together you get that fervency of prayer that unity of belief and you’re going to see some explosive miraculous things begin to happen for people that have that level of faith.  We are going to be drawn to the Lord who is the creator of Heaven and Earth and in whom all things exist and in him is the fullness of life.  There is that reality, we think that our bank account is a form of fullness of life, that our retirement account is a form of fullness of life.  Our stock portfolio is a form of fullness of life and the reality is nothing of man brings the fullness of life.  It’s Him, were going to be drawn back to that and home churches, house churches are going to have a great deal to do with that.

Sid: Now what is going to happen to true Christians like for instance you talk a little bit about living in the glory and hearing His voice, tell me a bit about that.

John Paul: Well, part of that had to do with what the scripture would call and in the vision I saw and I heard called the Jacob generation.  And it was, I looked it up obviously when I heard it and then I found that it obviously was Psalms 24.  And this generation of those that seek the face of the Lord will have incredible things happen.  They are going to be able to call on the name of the Lord and have Him act on their behalf in ways that have not been seen in a long long time.  The ability for to, let me back up just a second, the thick presence of the Lord.  This, what I saw was this honey like thickness that came into homes and came into churches as well.  Not just house churches but regular churches that we’re looking at now.

Sid: You know, I have felt that happening on this broadcast right now, there’s an increase in glory of God just talking about it.

John Paul: Yea, that thick presence of the Lord that’s not just, some people say well the, how do you say the presence of the Lord is thicker or less thick?  I don’t know all I know is that when I saw this thick presence of the Lord coming, whoever was in that thick presence of the Lord, everything and anything that they asked for was granted.  I saw woman, for example in this one scene I saw a woman who is terminally ill and her husband was terminally ill and the literally could see kind of the shimmering gold glory of God.  They ran to it and ran into it and she was instantly healed and she called out to her husband to come into it and he stubbornly refused.

Sid: It almost sounds like Lot’s wife.

John Paul: It was like the opposite, the man refused instead of Lot’s wife refusing, the woman was in it and was instantly healed, begging her husband to come into it.  And I saw families, husbands and wife crying out for the lost children asking God to bring them, crying for God to bring their children in and before they could even finish their prayer their children burst through the doors into the sanctuary and were wailing, crying and already repenting before they even got to the Mom and Dad that was in this incredible presence of the Lord, this thick glory, this amber colored glory, honey like but it was amber in color.  And so this type of miraculous is going to be giving to those in this Jacob generation I believe.   Ancient doors are going to be opening, spiritual truths that have been hidden for a long time because of the hardness of our hearts are going to be revealed, as our hearts become more tender there are going to be spiritual truths that have been hidden in scripture.  The scriptural truths are going to be revealed and it will change the way that we relate to each other and the way that we relate to God.  I saw the strength and power of the Lord coming into circumstances fighting on peoples behalf, circumstances that looked like it would take years to resolve over were resolved in one meeting or in a fifteen minute phone conversation.  I saw also the glory of the Lord resting on individual homes where common men and women might call common men and women not ordained ministers, not bible school trained, suddenly had the presence of the Glory resting on their home and it changed the entire neighborhood.  People were coming in and being ministered to.  And I saw people coming out from that home the husband and wife of that home going out and they would go to grocery stores and they would pray for the sick and the people would be healed.  They would pray and the line at the gas station and people would be healed, it seemed like everywhere that these people went they were ministering to other people, they weren’t just keeping their Christianity silent, they were vocal and they were demonstrative and they had the power of God flowing not only from them but through them.  From Him through them and touching other people because they looked for every opportunity to display the glory of God.

Sid: John Paul Jackson with the economic woes that you say are coming on the world, would you advise people to maybe cut down on their giving and maybe put that in savings instead?

John Paul: Well, that’s one sure way to go broke.  Ha ha-ha.

Sid: Ha ha-ha.

John Paul: No, all throughout scripture you are going to find that Joseph sowed in the time of famine and he gained.  The disciples when Agabus came and said that Paul was going to be buried with his coat, was going to be bound in Jerusalem and he declared a famine that was going to be happening and it happened.  The disciples gave even when they prophesied famine was coming the disciples themselves said, “We have to give.”  And what this whole scriptures is full of the understanding of this principle.   When you give God will give back to you and the greatest time to give is in the time of need, as the widow of Zarephath found out that giving the last of her oil and the last of her flour to Elijah.  She found out that the way to have future sustenance is by giving of your current sustenance.

Sid: Now, did God show you anything about the potential for President Obama becoming a born again Christian, where Jesus is Lord over his whole life?

John Paul: I pray that that will happen, but I have not seen anything like that.  I didn’t see the opposite of that, but I didn’t see that happening either.  So I don’t know, I pray that that would happened and in my prayers when as I pray for him daily, I ask God to make Himself known to him, make Himself real to him and cause him to come into a relationship with Him deeper than he has ever had before.

Patricia: Yeah, absolutely you know Sid, in the Glory, in the Glory there is not only healing, but there is health and strength and I’m sensing that someone that is listening to this program has been suffering from a depletion of strength.  I think it has something to do with some stress that they’ve been through recently, but also an assault on their immune system so they felt weakened and it’s like depression on them as well.  But right now the power of God is going into their body and energizing them, the power of the Glory manifested and healing and strength and vitality is entering them right now, so in the Name of Jesus Christ we loose that healing, we loose that health and strength to you.  You who have been weakened are now strong, “Let the weak say, I am strong,” and actually “as you’re hearing this Word, just say that, “I am strong in the strength of the Lord.”  Rise up and start walking around and the manifestation of that strength and vitality is going to come supernaturally to you.

Sid: Now, that’s not just for someone else, that’s for you, so you do that right now.  Maybe you’re use to being entertained, but it’s time that you become, you go on to front and center stage.  I mean stop being in the audience it’s time for you to on the stage and say “That’s me, I receive that supernatural strength, I receive that supernatural peace, that’s for me” because as Patricia King said “In the Bible gifts are for all people, the promises are for all people.”

Patricia: You know Sid I would really like to pray for any of the listeners today who are struggling with mental or emotional disorders.

Sid: But before you pray, tell me about one schizophrenic that was healed that you prayed for.

Patricia: Well, we had a gal come into our Restoration House which is a home where we have where we bring people out of the drug scene or prison or whatever and we love them to life and then give them a fresh chance; and our very first girl into this home had schizophrenia.  She was on physiatric drugs and everything and just by loving her to life and living a realm of the Glory, living in an environment of the Glory she was delivered from the schizophrenia and she’s now completely off all of her drugs.  We also saw two years ago a healing of a gal who was severely schizophrenic for ten years.  She couldn’t function without drugs, she never left her house hardly and now she is totally free, she came to a healing conference with Randy Clark and our team was there and was completely set free.  There is nothing too difficult for the Lord; we’ve seen people with manic depression also set free.  People with chaotic fears and reactions completely set free and God can do it to the listeners today because His Glory is available to heal.  And Father, In the Name of Jesus Christ I just release Your healing Glory right now to minds and emotions and body chemistries that need alignment.   I release Your Glory into areas where there’s been shame and I lift off that shame and lift off the guilt in the Name of Jesus and introduce Your alignment and Your strength and Your emotions into these ones that have been suffering in the Name of Jesus we break the emotional disorders and release the healing Glory and the wholeness Glory of Your presence in Jesus Name.

Sid: Now I understand that you have extraordinary faith for certain conditions such as allergies, now there are a lot of people listening that suffer from allergies; would you pray for them?

Patricia: Yes, and Sid I’m in particular getting issues of asthma and breathing disorders because of allergies.  So if that’s you and you’re listening to this program just bring you respiratory system before the Lord right now and I’m going to pray right into for the glory to come and fill you.  So Father in the Name of Jesus Christ I ask for Your glory of healing to come into those that are suffering with allergies that have effect the respiration system.  Lord in the Name of Jesus Christ, I call forth your power into the respiratory system in Jesus Name I command healing, I rebuke the allergies and the effect of those allergies in Jesus Name.  I also see someone with a rash on the skin, it’s an allergic reaction I call forth your healing glory into that allergy right now and the reaction upon the skin and I command it stop from this time moment on and skin receiving your healing, receive the Glory of God right now.  There’s someone else with an itchy throat.  There’s an allergy that causes an itchy throat and sometimes a swelling that makes it even hard to breathe and in the Name of Jesus I command healing and I command that allergy to stop from this time forth and forever in Jesus Name.

Sid: You know Patricia one of the things that I find fascinating as I’m looking over my notes ….not just be a spectator come into the main arena of the play, this is your moment.  God’s called you to fulfill your destiny and move in all of the gifts that God has for you; all the promises that God has for you, more in prophecy, in healing and being translated.  Speaking of being translated tell about the time that you prayed for someone 1500 miles away in a hospital bed that was really sick.

Patricia: Yeah, this is a great way to minister healing, but I was translated to a hospital in Vancouver while I was in Phoenix, Arizona and my friend was sick. She had been diagnosed with a pulmonary embolism and as I was praying for her I went into like a transvision encounter where I was suddenly over her in the hospital.  I saw her as real as I would see a person in a room.  She did not see me; she was not aware of my presence or anything but I saw her and by faith I released healing.  I don’t remember saying anything I just remember releasing the healing that Holy Spirit told me to release through faith.  And then instantaneously I was back out of that room in the place where I was in Phoenix and within hours of that encounter I received a call from her daughter that said “The symptoms had lifted and that they were going to retest her in the morning and if she was okay she would be sent home.”  They retested her, they said, “There’s nothing wrong, all the symptoms had gone, all the reports are cleared and they sent her home.”

Sid: Going back to your school of Glory, The Glory school, you have such important subjects, you teach on how to build a relationship with the Holy Spirit, could you give us a few tips.

Patricia: The Holy Spirit has been you know, so given to us as our mentor, our guide, the one who instructs us in walking in Divine Glory in Heavenly Glory; and so as we come to know the person of the Holy Spirit, how to hear His voice, how to minister where he shows us to minister and how He shows us to minister that is where we have fruit.  So it’s learning how to posture ourself before Him, learning through the scriptures who He is and what He does, what His functions are and then by faith walking with Him into encounter.

Sid: Patricia, just in the last minute, tell us what is about ready to happen with God’s Glory on planet earth.

Patricia: Yes, we are going to see an acceleration of the manifests Glory of God, as darkness continues to grow deeper and deeper the Glory will intensify.  That is why we have to align with God, align with His ways and purposes, align with His Word and walk in that Glory dimension from day to day because it’s going to accelerate not only around us in these coming days, but it’s going to invade the nations as well.

Sid: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest, Gary Keesee, says it’s time to just stop surviving. It’s time for you to be thriving. And Gary, I happen to believe that God Himself raised you up not to teach formulas, not to teach budgets, not to help people get out of debt in the natural realm, but in the supernatural realm. And tell me a bit about how we can expect this to happen in a time, in my lifetime, this is the worst time financially. Tell me some of the statistics that are going on in the United States.

Gary: Oh my. Well that would be a sad story and is a sad story. Right now, the United States is like any other family that you and I know that is seriously in debt, out of money and is living on credit cards. The United States is borrowing the debt that sits, you know, trillions of dollars of year, which is real debt that has real interest that we have to pay for, and so it’s not a good picture. And these deficits are ongoing for years and years, and years.

Sid: Now when I say Gary was hand picked, it’s because if he can do it through transferring kingdoms, you can do it through transferring kingdoms. You didn’t do too well in high school. How badly did you do?

Gary: There was only one guy lower than me in my class.

Sid: And what did they say to you when you started college?

Gary: They wouldn’t let me in, first off. And then I wanted to go to Bible school after I was born again and came to know the Lord. I got straight A’s there. Of course, I didn’t too well in high school. They said, “We see a change here and tell us about it.” So they let me come to college. Did my first class of English and I did my first paper. The paper came back with red ink. It said “F” on it and it said, “Is it even possible that you went to high school?”

Sid: Okay. Then you did the all-American dream. He gets married to the love of his life, but he’s in debt as he gets married, and the debt did nothing but increase. What was the worst debt you were in? What was going on with your credit cards

Gary: Which one? Which debt do you want to talk about?

Sid: The highest amount.

Gary: Well, I mean, it was hundreds of thousands of consumer debt, not mortgages. We lived on credit cards. We were in sales and we always had this mentality that tomorrow is going to be better than today in sales, you know, so we’ll pay it back then, and it never happened. Kept digging in and digging in. We had maxed out credit cards. We had judgments and liens. I mean, phone calls coming in everyday. We had been on the street and looking in trash cans for something we could use: furniture, carpeting.

Sid: Looking at you today, it’s hard to believe. But tell me how bad it was that day you had, it sounds to me like you almost threw in the towel. How bad was it when you did that?

Gary: Well Sid, I think that, we were already believers. We already loved God and going to church, actually leading worship in our church, helping in the church. And things kept becoming worse and worse. And we had used up every credit option, but we had run out of credit cards. And this one particular day, an attorney called and said, “We have a lawsuit against you.” And I’m thinking, okay, get in line. But this day, something happened inside of me. I realized that I had reached the end. There were no credit options left. I had already borrowed thousands of dollars from family members. There was no one I could go to. And at that moment, I realized, you know, I’m doing something wrong and there’s got to be, because the Bible talks about that God meets all of our needs.

Sid: Now there are people, you can relate to what Gary is saying. He’s been confessing God’s Word. He knows God’s Word. He is a believer. He loves God, but he’s gone from bad to worse. You were taking anti-depressants.

Gary: I was. I was having panic attacks. They couldn’t find out what’s wrong with. I didn’t know if I’d live or die. I had paralysis, heart palpitations. I was living in fear. And I had no money. Our refrigerator was empty. I mean, we would celebrate if we could even put half a tank in the car.

Sid: So he gets this call from the attorney. He’s being sued. How can he be sued? He didn’t have any money. He’s at the end of himself. He flops totally depressed in debt. And what did you say and what happened?

Gary: Well I just had to cry out to God because I didn’t know what to do. And He spoke to me, and he gave me Philippians 4:19, and it says, “And my God shall supply all of your needs according to His riches.” And that caught my attention because I knew my riches couldn’t do it. But how do I access His riches? And He went on and told me then that I had depended on debt, that I had never taken the time to learn His system, His Kingdom, how to operate it. I had to repent right then. I wanted to grab my wife’s hand and said, “Honey, the Lord just spoke to me and He said that we needed to repent and learn how His Kingdom operates, and that He would show me how to walk this out.”

Sid: Okay. He’s hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. It’s nice that he has this revelation right now. But where the rubber meets the road, how long did it take you to get out of debt and start accumulating money, just out of curiosity?

Gary: My life changed fast. It was like a light switch came on. God began to first teach me the principles of His Kingdom. Like a light came on, I began to see these revelations and how things operate, and that we had been set free from the curse, and how we can access these things. But in two and a half years, I paid everything off.

Sid: Two and half years? Hundreds and thousands, not counting your mortgage, not counting the car?

Gary: I paid everything off. I began to pay cash for my car, for land, houses.

Sid: What happened? Did you go to the mailbox and was there a check, you had just won the lottery? What happened?

Gary: No. God began to give me ideas for business, and we began to start businesses. In fact, we started three businesses that we still have.

Sid: So it took you to get out of debt, how long?

Gary: Two and a half years to pay everything off.

Sid: Okay. How long did it take you to accumulate some money?

Gary: Well a few years after that. We began to pay cash for cars and things immediately.

Sid: What about a house?

Gary: A few more years. We had a couple more years.

Sid: Did you pay cash for it?

Gary: We paid cash for the land, half the cash for the house and then we built the house.

Sid: How did you do it? Did you have money in the bank?

Gary: Yes. We began to save money.

Sid: These principles work.

Gary: Oh absolutely. The Kingdom is real and the principles of the Kingdom operate every time because it’s a law, Sid. It’s a law.

Sid: I’ll tell you, hold that thought. The principles, in fact, Gary calls himself a spiritual scientist. I want to find out why. Don’t go away we’ll be right back.