Sid:  We want everyone everywhere to be red hot for the Messiah.  My guest, Brian Lake is red hot for the Messiah, he’s a young man, but he has several businesses.  One is in the millions and he’s looking at opening other businesses and Brian and his family travel all over the world ministering as families, each member of the family is so gifted of God.  And he’s says the secret to the blessings that he literally being under the shadow of the Messiah, the secret to his uncommon favor is his intimacy with God.  And so many families Brian are coming apart at the seams, people in ministry, people not in ministry, that if you had not pursued intimacy with God do you thing that anyway you would have a million dollar business today?

Brian:  Absolutely not, yeah.  My life would be totally different; I’m fully convinced of that because that relationship, again it goes back to the Bible, what the Bible says.  Even as far as to what it says in Matthew, you know “Seek you first the Kingdom of God” and it says “Seek it first the Kingdom of God and all these things will be added unto you.”  And that has been my success you know in business, seeking Him first and as I seek Him it’s been my desire over the years to have my own business so that I would have other income streams so that I could go out and do what God has actually called me to do to minister with the gospel and that’s how I could go out to different places and not have to be.  It was important for me not to go to different churches and that maybe has fifty people or maybe a place that has a thousand people and not be influenced by money.  That’s why I don’t take a salary from the ministry, because I never want to be influenced by money I only want to go to be influenced by God.  I want to go to places He tells me to go.

Sid:  Now you told me before we went on the air that God has given you Words of Knowledge for people that are listening right now.  We heard your son flowing in that gift, I think that’s amazing for a young fellow like that to flow in the gift of Words of Knowledge, he told me that he just remembers he’s always flowed in that gift.

Brian:  Yeah, he has and actually I have a few here too.

Sid:  Please, give those Words now.

Brian:  Yeah, I believe there’s people out there right now that actually have their own business that it’s failing right now; they don’t know what to do whether to close it up of shut it down.  But I’m just speaking to those people right now that if they go into that secret place like we were talking about, that God will give them ideas and concepts on how to create that revenue to begin to flow again.  But I’m just to people right now that have those businesses that is not flourishing like what I’m talking about, that it’s not flourishing that they begin to flourish again in the Name of Jesus.  I just speak over those businesses to flourish right now, but the key of the whole goes back to that intimacy, fellowshipping with Him.  Putting Him first and the business will begin to grow and there’s people out there right now that they know that they have a call on their life but they have a business too, just like I did.  And those people are thinking well, “Do I sell my business and go into ministry?”  See, I thought that too, “Do I need to sell my business and go into ministry,” but God sent me the right people to run these businesses.  I don’t even really go to my business just to check in once in a while, I have right people there running it for me.  And so they call me or I’ll step into the office and they’ll give me updates and stuff like that, but it’s the key to get the right people.  And also I believe that there’s people out there right now, there’s somebody out there listening to me right now, you’re about to lose everything that you have, your home, you know your finances…

Sid:  Now, we get letters from many people Brian that are in that situation and they don’t know what to do.

Brian:  Yeah, the first thing that you have to do and for me, I’ve been in situations like that where I didn’t know what to do, you know things were coming against me, but the first place I run is into that secret place and I begin to seek His wisdom.  And that’s one of the things that He spoke to me years ago when you get into situations like that, you know that the Bible says you know to seek His wisdom you know and that the principal thing that if we seek the wisdom of God you know it’s in that wisdom He’ll give us that answer.  We’re so much running into the secret place and saying “God, I need a certain amount of money by a certain time.”  But it doesn’t fix the problem, you know seeking the wisdom will help fix that problem and in that secret place.

Sid:  Do you have any more Words of Knowledge?

Brian:  Yeah, I actually have a few here as far as healing.  There’s somebody actually listening right now that they have a problem with their left leg and there’s been swelling in that knee, in that knee area and you can’t bend it.  The doctors’ say that you may need surgery, but God is healing them right now in the Name of Jesus, I just speak that swelling to go down, be healed right now.  There is somebody, they’ve been having pressure behind the left eye, there’s a pressure, I don’t know if you’ve been diagnosed with anything, but there’s a pressure, it’s actually affecting your sight, God’s healing that right now, the left eye; there’s like an intense pressure behind there all the time.  God’s healing that right now, “The pain go in the Name of Jesus.”  There is somebody with a right ear, you’ve lost hearing in that ear from, I don’t know if it was at your work, or there was a loud noise and it’s damaged your ear drum.  God’s healing that ear right now in the Name of Jesus, “Be healed, open those ears in the Name of Jesus.”

Sid:  Brian I want you to paint a picture of what having intimacy with God is like, why you run to your, to your prayer closet so to speak for intimacy with God; what is it like?

Brian:  You know you said, “Running to that secret place.”  If you know I’ve spent my years fellowshipping with Him and you know I’ve pursued Him you know quite hard, but if I could go back and do it all over again, I run even harder.  Because I want Him more than anything else because we’re on this earth for a short period of time, but we’re all heading to the same place if we choose to accept Him as Lord and Savior into that throne room of God.  So for me that secret place is being in that throne room and the atmosphere of God, the presence of God, feeling His, and it’s not all about feeling either but there is a tangible presence that comes with it, that melts everything else away.  It’s a place of clarity where you can heard His voice and just be in a place of communion with Him, fellowshipping with Him is being at your work place, but Him being there with you.  Or it’s being at school and Him being there with you, it’s taking God, that atmosphere of God, Him with us everywhere we go.  So it’s not just me going into that secret place, it’s that secret place going everywhere I go, just communion with Him all the time and it radically has altered my life, my destiny, who I am and where I’m going.  You know yeah, I’ve messed up you know over the years and made certain decisions and did different things, but you know what I also say “God if I mess up Lord I give You permission to correct me and guide me in the right direction.”  And you know what? He has and there’s been times when I went around the mountain when I should have gone over the mountain, through the mountain, but He’s always been there to catch me if I fall.

Sid:  When you have prayed for people for financial breakthrough have you gotten many testimonies back of people that have had miracles in their life?

Brian:  Financially, yes.  And again I think we’ve mentioned before that we’ve had people with businesses that we’ve actually walked into their business and prayed for their business and days later their business begins to prosper and begin to flourish.

Sid:  Would you pray for people financially you’ve done that, but especially their businesses to flourish right now or ministries.

Brian:  Absolutely.  Lord, I just pray in the Name of Jesus for everybody out there that is in need Father God and the anointing that’s on my life, on my business, on my family Lord.  Lord I release that impartation over the phone Father God, over the radio waves right now for a release of God’s Kingdom to come through their business, come through their ministry in the Name of Jesus I speak it to flourish and prosper in the Name of Jesus right now Father God I release it Father the anointing to Flourish and prosper.  The blessing of God be upon their ministry, their family Lord, their business, everything that they touch Lord prospers in the Name of Jesus, Amen.

Sid:   You know I have your book open right now.  It’s called “Romancing the King” a Devine romance between God and man.  And you have such a wonderful keys in this book, but I want to read the first paragraph of the forward by Joe Osteen.  God is unrelenting in pursing us and touching our hearts, but what are we doing that really touches His heart?  “Romancing the King” is not a book for casual inquirers because once you’re read it, then you’re responsible for what it says.  Brian’s book will challenge you out of your old ruts into deeper relationship with the King if you’re willing.  Are you desperate to go much deeper into the heart of the King?  Then this book is for you.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Grace Williams. And I can understand why people report when they listen to Grace sing they get so much peace that they don’t have problems with insomnia. Grace, people are getting deliverance from your music. Tell me about the ex-Hindu woman.

[background singing]

GRACE: Yes. We were in a prayer and soaking meeting, and she started feeling like something was kind of strangling her, and ended up seeing a snake wrapped around her neck. And so we laid hands over her and as the music was playing she was completely set free, and realized later that she had come out many curses. And the Lord instantly set her free that night, and she said she felt like a million pounds had been lifted off of her. Praise God.

SID: It reminds me of King Saul. The only time he could have peace was when David played his music. Now lots of people are getting free. Tell me about the ex-Muslim woman.

GRACE: Yes. Same thing. She actually had a powerful visitation and she saw two angels, and was ministered to deeply while the worship was happening, and God healed her heart of some deep, deep wounds that she had experienced as a child, some very traumatic things that she had gone through. And she felt the Father’s love for the first in her life. And I just believe God is pouring that out right out to many of you. Maybe you haven’t had the best upbringing, but Father God wants to embrace you right now. And His love is never ending, never failing. And I pray right now that the Lord would release His amazing abundant love upon you in Jesus’ name.

SID: Now in the song, “Sacred Mountain,” you sing the word “Halleluiah.” Now everyone knows what Halleluiah means. It means the same thing in every language, praise the Lord. But you found it has a deeper meaning.

GRACE: Yes. One of the deeper meanings actually means “permission to enter in.” And I love that because when you say it, I literally see these doors opening up and the Father is giving us an invitation saying, come on in. Come in to that place of worship. Come in and sing praise. Come in to that place where the power is, where the glory is. By simply saying one word, Sid, “Halleluiah,” Sid, you can enter and you don’t have to be a singer. You don’t have to have the best voice. You don’t have to play an instrument because it’s all about your heart and lifting your heart to the Lord and simply saying, “Halleluiah.”

SID: As you were writing “Sacred Mountain,” you had a vision of the Lord. Tell me about that.

GRACE: Yes. And He was so moved. It was like I saw His face and there were tears. Then He began to smile and His countenance said it all, Sid, because there’s a line in that song that says, “No more tears. Beauty for ashes.” That is a great exchange. I’m telling you, if people have had some things that have turned to ashes in their life, God wants to exchange that for His beautify. It was such a wonderful thing to see His face, because there is going to be a day when all pain will cease, and that is going to be as we worship and we sing halleluiah, and we fill the earth with His glory.

SID: I would like you to go to the music set and sing that song right now. And as she sings that, when she says, “Halleluiah,” when she sings, “Halleluiah,” you sing “Halleluiah,” because you have been given permission in the name that is above every name, the name that is above every disease, the name that is above every fear, the name that is above every trauma, the name that is above every word that has been spoken against you, the name of Yeshua. You have permission to enter in “Sacred Mountain” with Grace Williams.

GRACE: [music, singing] Halleluiah, halleluiah, halleluiah. Whoa. [talking] Just sing “halleluiah” in your spirit. [singing] Halleluiah, halleluiah, halleluiah. Whoa. Your sacred mountain breathtaking in beauty is filling the earth with praise. Save our God. Joy of all the earth streaming to the nation. Beauty for ashes. [talking] He bottles every tear that you cry. [singing] Halleluiah, halleluiah, halleluiah. Whoa. You cover the earth in realms of glory. Enthroned on our hearts we cry holy, holy. [talking] Just sing out holy, holy. [singing] Holy, holy, you are, you are, holy, holy Lord. You’re holy, you’re holy, you’re holy, yeah, holy, holy, oh so holy. You are holy Lord. You’re holy…

Sid:  Now the thought crossed my mind, we spend at least some more some less a third of our life sleeping.  What if while we are sleeping and we’re in that receptive state we could hear so clearly from God in dreams and get direction for perhaps for disasters that are coming in our life.  For instance I have friends that live in Israel and especially when the suicide bombs were going off and their believers before they would leave their home they would have to hear from God.  What if your dreams you had the ability to understand, but I have to be candied with you I’ve interviewed many people that have taught on understanding dreams and they talk about symbols and one symbol means this and another symbol needs that.  And to be honest with you I’m such a pragmatist that if I don’t know its God I don’t want to speculate but I do want to know if it’s God.  And so I kind of laid a lot of this aside, but then I got a hold of a Course by Mark Virkler.  He’s been a guest several times on Messianic Vision and he has designed and his gift to the Body is teaching.  He has to first learn a principal for himself then he uses it for himself then he teaches it to other people.  And he’s just come out with a three CD set, it’s actually five sessions titled hear God through your dreams plus a workbook that will cause you to be able especially in the times that are coming to know what God has for you.  To be just like my Jewish Believing friends in Israel to know whether they should take a bus or not; to know whether they should even leave their apartment or not.  What a wonderful thing, Mark Virkler, how did you get into understanding dreams and were you just like me?  Where you someone that is so pragmatic that you would have these symbolic dreams, not have a clue what God was saying and so just forget them all unless they happened to be literal?

Mark:  Well, Sid I got into dreams because I met a remarkable individual.  I was up in Toronto teaching…

Sid:  No but even before you met him, what was your attitude towards your own dreams?  Were you like me or did you try to understand them or what did you do?

Mark:   Well, I never took them seriously; I just figured it was all pizza you know because it was all just…

Sid:  Oh, you were like me.

Mark:  Just a dream.

Sid:  Just, I don’t eat pizza anymore but that’s okay I can dream about it, go ahead bad joke.

Mark:  Okay and I just didn’t take them seriously because they weren’t rational, they weren’t logical and for me everything had to be logic and ration and reason.

Sid:  Okay, me to that is my biggest asset and my biggest liability but go ahead.

Mark:   Well, exactly when God anoints our reasoning then He can clean it up.

Sid:  Okay, so how did this door open to you so to speak of understanding dreams?

Mark:  Well, I was doing a seminar up in the Toronto area, my seminar on “How to Hear God’s Voice” got done at 5:00 and I heard that Herman Riffle was in the area doing a seminar on dream interpretation, Christian dream interpretation and I found out where he was, he wasn’t very far away.  I went over for the evening session and got introduced to a statesman in the Body of Christ who had walked with dreams for years and years and was teaching principals for how to hear God speak to you through your dreams.

Sid:  Tell me a bit about this because he intrigues me, this Herman Riffle, he’s in Heaven now but tell me about him.

Mark:  Well, he was a Baptist Pastor and he got interested in dreams so he went and got some training on dreams.  He worked with scriptures and he wrote several books on dreams.  He is now, he was ninety-three when he died a year or two ago.  But the Lord spoke to him through dreams, counseled him through dreams, guided him through dreams and we were so intrigued that we brought the person to our Bible School and him teach us and taped him teaching us on dreams many many years ago.

Sid:  Well it was actually as I understand it he had a dream that changed his destiny, he would have never lived to ninety three if he didn’t have this dream and understand it; tell me about it.

Mark:   Well, he had a lot of dreams, one of the dreams that he shares in his book is he’s walking along the side of mountain on narrow path with his family behind him and all of a sudden the path crumbles beneath him and he and his family go down to destruction.  And he wakes up and journals the body and says, “Lord, what does this dream mean?”  And the Lord said this he said, “Herman this private fantasy life that your engaged in, that you think is so carefully controlled, He said, if you do not get off this path that you’re on it’s going to take you and your family down to destruction.  And so Herman repented, he got off that path, he stayed faithful to his wife, the two of them were married and like I said, he died in 1998, he died at 93 years of age.

Sid:  I have no doubt that he would have died prematurely if he did not have the dream and the understanding.

Mark:  Yeah, wonderful counsel from the Wonderful Counselor correcting him keeping him on the path of life.

Sid:  After you began to study his lifetime of revelations on understanding dreams how long did it take you to start understanding your dreams?

Mark:  Well, I was fortunate to be in a Bible School where I got a group of half a dozen, dozen people around me and we just got together weekly and we began to share our dreams and study dreams in scripture.  And it really speeds up your growth if you can do it with a group and so we spent about six months, we did three months of training and then three more months of just practicum.  Just coming together and working with our dreams as a group interpreting them together and then at the end of that six months we all felt confident that we were able to get God’s message to us through those dreams.

Sid:  Now you yourself had a reoccurring dream.  And first of all if you have a reoccurring dream what does that mean to you?

Mark:   Well, that means you didn’t hear the message the first time the dream talked to you.

Sid:  Oops.  Ha-ha.

Mark:  Same reason your mother repeats herself or you repeat yourself to your children when they didn’t get it the first time.  And so I had reoccurring dream for about fifteen years of my life and that I had had a stroke in the dream and I would walk up paralyzed, feeling I had had a stroke, I felt bloated, my arms and head and face.  And then I had the elders pray for me once for deliverance prayer what came out was an actual demon of fear of stroke and I had picked that up when somewhere about the age of eight to ten years of age.  I was very close to my grandfather, he died very unexpectedly instantaneously of what I perceived to be a stroke.  It wasn’t quite correct, but that was my childhood perception and I was traumatized by that and demons are not gentlemen so they entered, a demon of fear of stroke entered during that trauma.  And I had a fear of having a stroke for years; it showed up as a reoccurring dream in my heart showing that I had a wound in my heart that needed prayer ministry.  Once the elders prayed the deliverance prayer that demon came out with that same manifestation that I had in the dream.  My wife was in the livingroom, she said that it looked like I was having a stroke when my face was bloated, my tongue was bloated, and it came out and it came out and now twenty to twenty-five years and I’ve never had that dream since then.

Sid:  Mark, what is more important to me is not that you got this revelation, not that you get dreams every week and understand, really understand what God is saying every week.  But can I, can my Mishpochah do the same thing?

Mark:  Yes, every single one that’s listening, you can learn to hear God through your dreams, you can learn to receive His wonderful counsel because He says that He counsels us a night.

Sid:  Wait a second you have dreams at least once a week where God speaks to you so clearly.

Mark:  Yes.

Sid:  You’re telling me that everyone can, once a week now.

Mark:  Absolutely, I guarantee it.

Sid:  Okay, you heard that Mishpochah he guarantees it, I got it out of him.

Mark:  I can give them four or five things that they can do during this series and if they do those four or five things I will guarantee that they will have dreams every week from God where the Wonderful Counselor is giving them counsel to improve the quality of their lives.

Sid:  Now you have many many testimonies of people that have taken your course and what’s happened to them.  Tell me about one person.

Mark:   Alright I’m going to tell you about a lady Susan Perniglia, she developed a Christian Dance School out of hearing God’s voice out of both dreams and also journaling about the dream.  Her husband Salvatore was taking courses with us and they got married, he shared the courses with her and she had a triple dream experience where, she was in nursing school, trained to be a nurse and the Lord redirected her through those three dreams.  She didn’t get the message the first time or the second time, so he made it very clear the third time and she changed her course.  So she got out of nursing school and what the Lord told her that she should become a dancer for Him and set up a dance school.  And that’s what the dream said, so she went ahead, set up a dance school as a result of that.  And a testimony she shares back a couple of years ago it’s called a King and a testimony.  She shares back a couple of years ago, it’s called the Kings dancers, it had grown from four students to One hundred Sixty-five students.  She had nine staff teachers who was teaching it and four different locations in the Albany, New York region.  They offered a variety of dances like ballet, tap, Irish Step, Hip Hop, Flag dancing, banner dancing and prophetic drama.  And all of that was it came out of a triple dream experience where God redirected her and said, “No nursing is not what I called you to, I have called you to be a dancer and to train dancers.”  And she said, “It’s been miraculous how the Lord has anointed it, they’ve done dance for both churches and secular situations.”

Sid: You know Mark the thing that’s crossing my mind right now is in these tense economic times that we’re living in; I believe that scripture is true that says “The wealth of the sinner is stored up for the righteous.”  And what would happen if God were go give a dream to those that are listening right now, redirect their path and in bad times they would do terrific.

Mark:  He wants to do that, He’s dying to do that, He died literally on Calvary so that he could restore that kind of relationship and give that kind of counsel to his children day by day, week by week and month by month.

Sid:  Now my guest is red hot for the Messiah because he has been tasting of the glory of God for a number of years.  Many of you are probably familiar with him; his name is Pastor John Kilpatrick.  And on June 1995 Father’s Day his church in Pensacola, Florida; Brownsville Assembly of God literally got saturated with the Spirit of God.  And as a matter of fact, John you’re currently Pastor of Church of His Presence in Daphne, Alabama.  But when that occurred in 1995 I’ve seen video footage and I’ve talked to you about it, but what happened to you on Father’s Day?

John:  Well, we’d been praying for two and a half years for revival on Sunday evenings; I did away with preaching and we went to all prayer.  And we prayed for two and a half years for revival.  And to be honest with you, I was a student of revival and raised by a pastor that loved revival, but even though I had experienced moves of God before in my life I was totally, totally unexpected what happened on Father’s Day of ’95.

Sid:  But you were as I understand it, before the outbreak though, you’re prayers were very desperate.

John:  Oh yeah, I was as desperate for God as a dying man in a desert for water, that’s how desperate I was for God.  I told God that I’d been pastoring for thirty some odd years and I told the Lord, I said “Lord I’ve got to have You, I don’t want religion, I don’t want no more church services, I don’t want to hear another song, I don’t want to hear another sermon.”  I said, “God I have got to have You.”  I said, “I’ve got to see what the Word of God says You can do; it says You can heal; well, I want to see You heal; it says that You can deliver, I want to see You deliver.”  And I said, “Lord it’s going to take more of the presence of God; more than the anointing than I have ever seen to get this done, because it’s just not getting done.”  And as we begin to pray desperately for revival and for the presence of God to show up it showed up on Father’s Day.  To be honest with you I never dreamed that the power of God would come down on Father’s Day.  You might think of Easter or something like that, but not Father’s Day.  And to be honest with you after we prayed for two and a half years for revival; right before it broke out I never felt as far away from God I don’t think in my life.  And it seemed like it would never happen due to a series of events that took place.  I’m sure that Satan saw the revival was nearing, I’m sure that he saw that heaven was stirring and right before it broke out I was discouraged, and I’m usually not one to get discouraged I was you know just sort of, I was just unprepared.  And whenever God showed up on Father’s Day it was the most mind boggling presence of God you could imagine; it was the glory of God that came into that church.  It wasn’t a sermon, it wasn’t an evangelist, and it certainly wasn’t the pastor it was the presence of God that moved into that church.  Almost, it was like an invisible river came into that church to be honest with you; that’s exactly what it felt like.  It felt just like an invisible river came into that church.

Sid:  But you were so overcome that for weeks you couldn’t even function normally, explain that.

John:  Yeah, I’m not a critic; I’m a skeptic; just by nature I’m a skeptic.  I’ve been around, seen a lot, you know I’ve been around the block more than one time and I was raised in Pentecost and I’ve seen a lot of stuff you know.  And so I believe, I believe the Lord and I believe His word and I’ve seen so much out of a man that I was just; I wanted to see God do something.  I mean I was desperate for God to do something.  And so being skeptical like I am I’m sure that whenever the Lord whenever He moved in there that day that He meant to make a believer out of me and nobody even touched me Sid, and the evangelist, nobody touched me and I mean I went down and I was barely able to stand.  I was just shaking and quivering behind the pulpit and I told the church at the end of the service, I said, “Folks this is it; this is what we’ve been praying for get in.”  And as soon as I said that, man I mean it was like a down draft from Heaven and it came down and hit, we had about 1700 people there that morning.  And it was like a down draft from Heaven hit that crowd and I saw people hit the floor, nobody even touched them; nobody even touched me.  And I saw people hit the floor like dead men and I was down four hours on the floor and could not lift my head off the floor.  It was not scary, it was not phobic or anything like that.  It was the weighty presence of God came in much as it did in the scriptures the Bible says in Chronicles whenever they dedicated Solomon’s temple the priests could not stand to minister.  I couldn’t stand up, and the congregation hit the floor, I saw business people that I’d never seen make any move toward the Lord, I saw owners of corporations and doctors and different kinds of people in the congregation that I’ve never really seen get too emotional hit the floor like dead men before I hit the floor.  And I was down for four hours and I could hear everything, but I couldn’t see anything, I could hear crystal clear.  And it was Father’s Day and the first thing that hit my mind whenever I hit the floor was I thought oh God it’s Father’s Day, these people need to go home and have lunch with the Fathers.

Sid:  Ha-ha, you know it’s kind of ironic that you’re saying this; here you are so desperate you’re praying for all of your worth for weeks and months and even years for this and it happens and you’re as a pastor you’re concerned about time.

John:  Exactly, and I’m thinking man they need to be going home with their Dads today.  But as I lay there, I lay there like I said for about four hours and Sid, I don’t believe anybody left even when I got up and was finally able to get up and sit in my chair about four thirty in the afternoon.  I looked around and that church was still slam full and during that four hours that I was on the floor and I couldn’t see; I could hear like I said, I could hear really good, but I could hear, literally hear the presence of the Lord move in that congregation.  I could hear it on this side for forty-five minutes or an hour and I could hear it move up to the balcony, I could hear it come down to the right hand side.

Sid:  What does the presence of the Lord sound like?

John:  It was the sounds of the people when he touched them.

Sid:  Oh, I see.

John:  And as He was touching them you could hear the wailing and the weeping, the repenting.  You could hear some laughter where God was touching people.  It was not weird laughter, it was gut, it was just coming from the gut, just guttural laughter that was just a release.  It sounded like a release of pent up things that people had pent up in them, frustrations and pains.  And they just began to laugh in the Spirit and it was the most wonderful sounds that I’ve ever heard in my life (Pastor John wept as he shared).  And I’ll never forget when they brought the children in, because the parents could not even go get their children from Children’s Church.  I’ll never forget when they brought those three hundred and fifty children in there; as soon as those little children, many of them below the age of ten years old when they brought those little children in that sanctuary where the presence of God was.  I heard three hundred children begin to “Oh Jesus, Jesus” and they were immediately in the presence of God; there was no preparation, you didn’t have to talk to them.  Those little innocent spirits when they were brought into the presence of revival, they were instantly in the presence of God.  And it reminded me when I was laying on that floor, it reminded me when Jesus was in the temple and the children were crying Hosanna and they told them to be quiet.  And Jesus said, “Don’t you know that out of the mouths of babes and suckling’s praise is perfected.”  And as I lay there I didn’t need to see, but what I heard changed my life forever.  And after God had got through touching that church; about 1,700 people that morning; all those praises wrapped up together into one and I’m telling you what it sounded like; it sounded like a train on the outside of the building coming through the brick wall into the main sanctuary.  It sounded like a train of praise; it was just a constant shrill; just a shrill of hundreds of voices blended together that had just been touched by the presence of God.

Sid:   And for those that aren’t familiar with the Pensacola Revival something like 4,000,000 people from all over the world came to that church in Pensacola, Florida.  Hundreds and thousands of people made professions of faith and rededications at the altar and it was real.  And speaking about real; you had a prophetic word in the beginning of 2008 and you warned your people that there was going to be a financial storm.  Did many of your people save money as a result of that?

John:  Yes, the Lord spoke to me on a Saturday morning and He said to me, as I was coming out of sleep that’s usually a lot of times the way Holy Spirit speaks to me is when I’m coming out of sleep.  I heard His voice and He said, “A storm is coming,” and this was in April of ’08.

Sid:  Well, we’ll go into detail on tomorrow’s show, but as a result of your prophetic word, did many people save money by getting out of the stock market?

John:  Tens of thousands of dollars.

Sid:  You know that’s the way it’s supposed to be and we’re also going to be also talking about the first day of 2009 God gave a prophetic picture of what is going to be happening starting this year and on into the future.  It’s horrible some of things He showed you, but it was about the most encouraging prophecy for those that know God I’ve ever heard.  And then you have a teaching on angels and you had a visitation of angels when you were fifteen years of age that forever impacted your life.  But I personally have never heard teaching like this, its three CDs and the tile is “Angels Enforce Blessings” and when someone finishes this series and I don’t know the feedback you’ve gotten on this particular series John, but I’ll tell you what it’s putting a guard on what I say with my mouth like I’ve never had before.

John:  Good.

Sid Roth:  And you understand what I’m saying, but if that’s the only thing that it accomplishes I mean it’s an invaluable tool.  What feedback did you get when you gave these messages?

John:  Well the people, it wasn’t because of my sermon or me preaching it, it was just the material, but the people were mesmerized and so many people have never really heard that about angels enforce blessings.

Sid Roth:  Woops were out of time.

Sid:  My guest, just a young girl, a five year old was with her parents in Russia; she saw miracles that few Christians have ever seen.  Evangeline Weiner, you saw the blind see, the deaf hear, the lame walk, I mean what a background God equipped you for.  But there was a time when you were just fourteen in Indonesia and a woman reached up to choke you; tell me about her.

Evangeline:  Yeah, well I was in Indonesia and we were doing a conference there and actually I was speaking and all of a sudden you know all the students started yelling about this girl that they thought was dying.  And so I ran over there because I thought, “Oh, man she can’t die on my watch.”  I ran over there and checked on her and she was on the floor and she looked passed out and I started praying for her, thinking it was for a healing.  And you know I started praying for her and as I said, “In the name of Jesus,” her face turned one way and then turned the other and she looked back at me and you know a shadow had gone over her eyes and  a demonic presence was looking at me.  And as I started praying for her you know at first I thought, “Whoa,” for a second it kind of freaked me out because I wasn’t expecting that and well all of a sudden then she got up and started trying to choke me.  And she was probably smaller than me, she was a very petite girl and she had to have probably twenty people holding her down because she was trying to get up and get me, but the crazy part was that twenty people had to hold her down.  But anyway I started praying…

Sid:  It shows the strength of the demonic.

Evangeline:  Absolutely, yeah.

Sid:  And if we didn’t have a greater strength we would be in big trouble, but go ahead, ha.

Evangeline:  That’s the truth and I mean there was this pastor’s wife that was there and she was hiding behind everyone else.  I was like, what is this I’m fourteen?”  “No, I’m just kidding.”  But anyway it just shows that most people aren’t use to dealing with the supernatural.  But anyway so, but it’s there everywhere you know and anyway so this girl she got up and started to choke me, tried to and they held her down and I just started praying for her, you know.  I just said, “In the name of Jesus, we break this power, this spirit” and as we started to pray she threw-up and she threw-up three drops of blood.  And the crazy part about that is, afterwards she came up and talked to me and said, “You know I’ve had a lung problem since I was little, my grandfather here is a witch-doctor and dedicated me to Satan and when I was little and ever since then I have had a lung problem.”  And the thing is that when she was dedicated he took three drops of blood from different animals and put them in her mouth as a symbol that she was dedicated to Satan and when she got delivered she threw up three drops of blood.  And that’s crazy; you know that is really you know God delivered her not only from the sickness, but also from the spirit that had been oppressing her.  And I think that the supernatural is everywhere and it is funny to me that in the western world so many people think that the supernatural is a fopa, but everywhere else in the world it is as common as you and I.

Sid:  Now when this demon reached up to choke you through this woman, how fearful were you?

Evangeline:  I wasn’t really fearful, I was surprised; you know it just kind of threw me off guard, because there I saw this girl was dying and then she gets up with strength; so it’s sort of strange.  But you know it’s amazing to me every time that I have been in a situation where even your life could have been on the line or anything, you know the boldness of Jesus comes on you where you just feel such a, you know you just have such faith to see it happen, it’s like the fear isn’t even there; you don’t even have time to be afraid.

Sid: I’ll tell you one of my favorite stories in your book is the one about Sahara Lee Brandon; tell me about her.

Evangeline:  Well, Sahara she grew up in an atheist home and her Mom was Jewish and her Dad was from India and she had lots of experience in India because her Dad would take her there but she was actually raised here.  And anyway she went to, they even took her to see Mother Teresa and different things like that, but what happened is that she went one time when she was in eighth grade someone asked her, “What do you think about God?”  And she had never even thought about it before one day in her life, “What do I think about God?”  She didn’t even think, “Is there a God?”  She had never; she was told “There wasn’t one.”  And so she started, that started her on exploring, “Is there a God?”  And so she began to study in her closet every day every world religion and she would try to experience each religion.  And when it came time to experience Jesus, you know she said, “Well, I don’t believe you’re real, you know she prayed because actually what happened and a bunch of her friends were going to this conference.  And she was going to go with them and she said, “I don’t believe you are real God,” she got on her knees and did a hail Mary and something she thought was Christian.   And she said, “I don’t believe that You are real, and I don’t think that You are going to do anything, but if you are real, show me that You are.”  And when she went to this conference there was nothing, you know it as theologically just about your mind, different things like that, but when she went, she felt the power of God.  And actually what happened was she flew across the room and just experienced the presence of God, she experienced Jesus and from that point on she knew the realness of Jesus.

Sid:  And she went out with Heidi Baker and a campaign in Malawi.

Evangeline:  Yeah.

Sid:  And just your description there of this deaf baby, tell me about her.

Evangeline:  Yeah, well she was just; well what happened is that she even said, “As she went through the states and different places, you know different conferences because she was so hungry for the power of God and for experience Jesus because she wasn’t allowed to go to church, she wasn’t allowed to hang out with anyone that was a believer after she came to know Jesus.”  But what happened is was that she started seeing a conflict in the experiences she was having with Jesus and what the church was in the western world, she was having a hard time with that because it wasn’t the same, the power wasn’t there.  And so anyway she was longing for; she went to Africa saw thousands and thousands of people you know come to know the Lord and healed.  But the women Heidi Baker, you know she even just saw the deaf baby that Heidi Baker was holding, she just kissed her ear and the ear opened up.  And you know I think that’s what the Lord wants to do, He loves us so much, He wants to even know kiss us like Heidi did that baby and just see the healing that we need; you know the broken hearts  that we have changed just like that.  And you know with Sahara even, she told the story about when she was in Africa, there was this family that she tried and tried, she prayed and prayed and prayed for this family.  And there was this Muslim family and what happened, you know she heard a word, she heard a word you know, prostitute.  And she said, “Wow, I can’t ask her, I can’t ask them that question, that’s so mortifying I don’t want to embarrass them like that, you know.  And she kept hearing the word prostitute so she went up to the mother and she said, “Are you a prostitute?” Because she had Aids and she was dying and you know she had been praying and praying of for their healing.  And the lady said, “Yes, you know my husband sold all of us girls into prostitution when he was dying in India.”  And so then she prayed for her and you know she asked Jesus into her heart, they prayed, they repented and stuff and basically at that point, then the lady got healed of Aids, of blindness, the Mom was blind and the whole family came to know the Lord.  And I think that sometimes we don’t want to ask things because we are fearful of you know what what they’ll bring, but you know it’s amazing the experience that she had there.

Sid:  You know speaking about being sold into prostitution there was another story similar to that, Taughtiano, tell me about her.

Evangeline:  Yeah, Taughtiano is from the Ukraine, she is from Kiev and she had grown up you know always, I guess in school misbehaving, different things.  She always wanted love and wanted attention and anyway she got into alcohol and drugs and eventually she had a little girl when she was a teenager and she couldn’t provide for her any more so she got involved into prostitution.  And you know she had many encounters close of death through this and different things until one day she encountered Jesus and you know Jesus revealed Himself to her; and her whole life was different.  And at that point she began to want to help the hurting youth of the Ukraine.  And so she began to get involved in Ukraine Education System, she began to teach teens and you know she teaches 60,000 teens on morality, and basically all these different issues.  And she kept feeling God saying you are going to change the education system in the Ukraine and to get her Master’s Degree and so she went and did that.  And now actually they put her in charge of rewriting the curriculum for the education system for high school and under to take out anything that is contrary to the Bible.  And they’ve placed in charge of hiring the people who write curriculums who are in charge of school districts in each city of the Ukraine and so it’s amazing what the Holy Spirit’s done through really her obedience.  You know, who was she?  You know she wasn’t anybody, just like I’m not anybody, but God you know revealed Himself to her and gave her purpose for her life and as she walked in faith, stepped out in faith and began to even get the degree to even be able to do those things.  She opened up the doors and you know the crazy thing about God is that we can work really hard to do something and it make take us thirty years to accomplish it, but with God it’s not in our might or in our power, but it is by Him and so it’s to take one day, you know He can open up that door.

Sid Roth: …

Evangeline: … I think that as they are listening today, you know I believe that God wants to unlock your destiny; He wants to show you what He’s called you to do.  And you know that the thing is a lot of people let fear of man or let a false humility or just a fear of failure come over them, but today I believe God wants to release you know the visions and the dreams because God’s called each one of us.   He knew each one of you from your mother’s womb and so even today as you are listening “God I pray right now that You’ll just speak to every heart, you’ll speak to every situation Lord, I pray that you’ll unlock dreams that have been put on hold for years and years because of life’s check list of filling out all the obligations of life.”  “But God I pray that You’ll put things dream the hearts, dreams to just begin to experience You as never before and for the things that You have called them to do.”  “Lord, I pray for inventions, discoveries, Lord I pray for just creative ways, just ways to do things, even people that have had, I feel there is a person that has had an idea for years and never known how to do it but right now, Lord I pray that You’ll give them the exact idea that they need to release that, in the name of Jesus.”

Andre:  I would just know about people, I thought that it was good intuition I didn’t know it was the prophetic, like I could judge character.  In fact it’s really funny I had friend who are girls who would call me and say, “I want you to meet my boy friend” and I was like, “I don’t want to meet your boy friend.” But I’ll meet him and I would say “Leave him alone, he’s no good” and they wouldn’t listen to me and then they would call me back later and say, “You were right.”  I didn’t know that was the prophetic I just thought it was good intuition.

Sid:  But has God used the prophetic as far as knowing their problems and then praying for people?

Andre:  Oh yes, definitely.

Sid:  Give me one case,

Andre:  This was really cool a lady, I looked at her and when I looked at her I saw, I don’t know how to describe it but like something opened up and it went up into the heavens and I said, when something like happens I say, “God what is this.”  He began to speak to me and tell me about a ten year journey she was on and three days earlier she had asked the Lord a specific question and I saw her laying across the bed.  And I said, “This is what you asked, I can’t remember what it was right now and this is the answer.”  And she began to weep, but the cool thing is that she had just talked to her Pastor about it and her pastor came to me and said, “Andre, everything you said, we just talked about.”   And she was just totally impacted by the power and the presence of God.

Sid:  You’ve got to tell me about what happened in Korea with that glory cloud, that tangible glory cloud and the angel.

Andre:  That was really fun; I love Korea, I love going there.  It was my first time and I was teaching on prophetic worship.  And you know in 2^nd Chronicles it talks about the glory cloud fills the temple, I was on that scripture and the priests couldn’t stand to minister and I looked in back of the room and suddenly I saw this cloud coming through the back wall.  And I went, “God what do you want me to do with that?”  He said, “Well, stand the people up.”  And so I stood up the people in the back and the pastor, Pastor Kim she flew backwards slammed back into the glass door, hit the ground, another women fell and began to roll from one side of the church to the other.  And the Lord said, “I want you to stand the people up in the front, there weren’t very many people in the back and ask them if they can see the cloud?”  So I said to my translator, “Would you ask the people if they could see the cloud?”  And as she was asking them her eyes were open and everyone in the room saw the cloud.  Then an angel flew and stood next to me and I couldn’t see him but I could feel his presence so I said to my translator I said, “Can you feel the angel next to me?”  Well, she shot backwards, did a U-turn and I had to catch her from flying off the stage.  And the angel began to whisper in my ear.  He said, “Do you see this young man out there?”  And I said, “Yes,” he said, “I want you to stand him up.”  I said, “Okay,” he said, “Now, prophesy this over him,” and so I did.  And when I prophesied over him the power to God hit this young guy, he went out under the power, this was like 12:00 in the afternoon and he got up 9:00 at night in midst of me speaking again.  So I’ve seen lots of incredible things in Korea.

Sid:  Now when you say that you’ve saw the glory cloud, describe to me what it looked like.

Andre:  It looked like a heavy midst in the room, like have you ever been in Houston in the summer and with the humidity?  Ha-ha.

Sid:  That’s, but it was not the humidity, is what you’ve telling me.  It was inside a building.  Ha-ha.

Andre:  It was inside the building, yes.

Sid:  And, do you see angels often?

Andre:  I don’t see angels much, but I feel their presence and a lot of times in my meetings I know when they’re there I can feel the fire of the angel on me like.  I’ll actually tell you one story, “I was in a meeting with Robert Sterns I wasn’t ministering or anything, I was just sitting there and with my friend, my friend was sitting next to me and all of a sudden I felt the fire of my angel with me, and I went, I’m not ministering tonight, “Why are you here?”  So I turned to my friend and said, “Can you feel the angel that’s with me, and said, “That’s why my whole left side is on fire and I said, “Oh, I know why, he’s here, he’s going home with you tonight.”  And when he went home the angel showed up in his room and ministered to him all night long.

Sid:  Tell me about what happened in Australia with a man that was stuck to his chair.

Andre:  Awe, yeah that was fun I was there with Jill Austen.  Jill Austen I was one of her spiritual sons.  And this guy, Jill was ministering and this guy calls me up and says, “Andre come here.”  So I walk over and I go “What’s wrong?”  He goes, “Why is God sticking me to this chair?”  And I’m like, “I don’t know why God’s sticking you to the chair.”  But I called my friend, he grabbed one arm and I grabbed the other, we pulled and the whole row of chairs, they came up with them.  He was literally stuck to the chair.

Sid:  Now, you think that’s outrageous how about the time someone had instant weight loss.

Andre:  Awe, yeah that happened in Indianapolis; the night before, God usually doesn’t tell me what he’s going to do, I ask Him but usually it’s when I get up he down loads to me.  But the night before I said, “Lord what do you want me to do tomorrow?  And He said, “I want you to repent to women as a man for having false expectations of beauty.”  He said, “Two things are going to happen, woman are going to go through deliverance and some are going to supernaturally lose weight.”  So I got up the next day I just simply did what the Lord asked me, I said, “I want to repent to you woman as a man for having false expectations of beauty.”  And when I said that, women all over the room hit the deck and started going through prolong deliverance.  And then women literally dropped weight and the way I know that is that they came to me later and they showed me their clothes and they’re going, “I’ve lost inches.”  And that was pretty amazing.

Sid:  You know, I have to believe people that have had emotional pain, rejection, abuse of all kinds, when they just sit under the presence of God as you’re worshipping God they get deliverance.

Andre:  Yes.

Sid:  Tell me again about a prophetic song and again a prophetic song is where you just sing it, it isn’t rehearsed, it isn’t someone else wrote it that you just sing it.  On your CD that we’re making available, it’s called “Before the Throne, it’s called “No Distance Between Us” tell me about that.

Andre:  Basically I feel like that’s a love song between God and His people and He’s saying, “There’s no distance between us.”  He knows us intimately, He knows every aspect of our lives and not only does he know us but he loves us, but he likes us, he likes to hang around with us and in the song basically He’s just saying “There’s no distance between you and I.”

Sid:  That’s going to be your experience, let’s listen to that right now.

Worship excerpt:  CD “Before the Throne,” it’s called “No Distance Between Us”

Andre:  You know I keep hearing the name “Eliza and there is a lady who you’re at ropes end and you’ve been crying out “God if you’re real would you reveal yourself to me.”  And you’re almost at the point that you just kind of want to take your life.  But God today is letting you know that He knows you, He loves you and that He’s going to work those things out in your life.  Your husband has been estranged, but God wants you to know that He will never leave you, He will never forsake you, that He’s going to begin to show you what it really means to be the Bride of Christ.  And so Elisa today your life is turning around because the God of Heaven is sovereignly intervening in your life.

Sid Roth:  If you want your house to be saturated with the glory of God, do you want your house to be filled with the presence of God?  Do you want your car to be filled with presence of God?  Do you want your office, your school, well I don’t know about your school, you want your school but I don’t know if you could play Andre’s CD.

Sid:  I have Saundra Afeld on the telephone; she is former Children’s Pastor at Round Rock Chapel where James went to church.  Tell me Saundra what you observed as far as James behavior.

Saundra:  James was very unpredictable; he exhibited a lot of violence, unpredictable behavior.  He had very very limited communication skills; he was, you were not able to put him in a classroom with regular, you know the normal classroom.  He also would, there was some bazaar things going on like he would put his fist, he was very very strong and he would put his fist through the wall.  And I remember them reporting, the parents reporting that he had actually eaten the sheet rock.  He actually ate bark off the tree, he was violent, like I said he was violent and he was just uncontrollable.

Sid:  Were you amazed at the change after the deliverance?

Saundra:  Yes, I did at first there was a marked change in terms of the level of violence, the level of communication, the inability that he had to make contact immediately changed.

Sid:    Thank you so much.  Karen, when you brought James home after his deliverance there was immediate changes, but there were setbacks.  What types of things were you doing at home with James?

Karen:  Well, there were a number of things that we were doing; we were playing praise music for any room that he might be in at all times.  And we would anoint them, our children with oil at night and pray over them to fill this vessel.  Anything that we were fighting against we would have to bind.  We came against the spirit of rage, the spirit of fear, the spirit of infirmity.  The deliverance is the healing, but you have to keep your healing, there are things that we do in our lives either at our own hands or other people’s hands or other spoken word curses that that can reenter your life.  So as it says in Ephesians 6 you have to put on the full armor of God everyday so that you can stand against the devil’s schemes and it’s a battle, but we’ve already won the battle, Jesus won the battle at Calvary.

Sid:  Now, when things looked pretty bleak you were speaking what you wanted to see with your eyes not what you were actually seeing.

Karen:  Right, he wasn’t completely healed, he wasn’t caught up, he wasn’t whole he was still having some of these behaviors that were just had become habits to him.  They were not demonically driven anymore but they were habitual for him, they had become a habit to sit and chew on your fingers.  It had become a habit to pick at pencil erasers and nibble on them while you were watching TV.

Sid:  When you say that he would chew on his fingers, did you mean literally?  I mean, boy did he have scars on his finger?

Karen:   Yes, on his first pointer fingers on both hands he has a little mound of scars and then he would just gnaw on them, he would gnaw on them.  And we would just, we took him to a specialist onetime that said that when you speak, when your tongue hits the roof of your mouth it releases a relaxing chemical.  And the kids that don’t have language often chew on those things to release the chemicals.  That’s why he did some of that but all those behaviors had been part of his life for almost five years, they don’t just go away overnight and so this was a healing that God walked out in his life.  And he restored his mind daily and continues to.

Sid:  Give me your report on how he is today, how old is he now?

Karen:  He’s wonderful, he’s fourteen years old, he’s six foot tall, he’s on the track team and he’s on the basketball team, he’s on the football team.  He bowls in city league every week and he’s just a tall, sweet soft spoken boy.  Is he still behind academically?  Yeah, he’s still behind socially?  Absolutely, he lost almost four or five years of his life.  But just like Jesus grew in wisdom and stature and with favor with God and man, that’s what James is doing and he has his mind is being restored so quickly that if you had just met me and met him and never heard the story it would be hard to believe because he has done of those behaviors.  But he is behind academically, he lost all that time, you know at six years old he’s basically an infant.  He’s delivered and set free but he has, you know all of our lives experience and most of our learning base comes from the time that you are in kindergarten and all that was gone, he had none of that.  So at six basically he started at zero, so basically he had eight years to catch up and he’s in eight grade and he’s doing amazing.

Sid:  Now, it’s very unusual for a doctor to state a miracle occurred but his medical doctor who is now deceased; you had a tape of what your doctor had to say about James, let’s listen to that now.

Medical doctor tape:  I saw James first time a few years ago about three years ago when he was about three and a half years old.  I got to tell you it was a little shocking to me, I’ve seen a lot of various diseases, conditions, behavior, but little James, I got to tell ya took the cake on this one.  He was exhibiting erratic behaviors, uncontrollable, inconsolable of frantic attacks of tantrums; he was quite pale, nonverbal, grunting noises, total lack of attention.  From the reports I see now, it is nothing short of a miracle.  I mean this young boy is now, vocal, verbal, appropriate, responsive, eating nicely, healthy.  So you know it’s just one of those situations you have to chalk up to something maybe higher than what we have in the medical field.

Sid: That was an amazing statement by a medical doctor.  Karen is there anything that you want to add to the doctor’s comment?

Karen:  Well, he was Ira Levin was such a wonderful man to us.  He had compassion for our situation; he had no answers either but he poured over his medical books.  And even tried to see if James had a brain tumor or something that would describe these weird behaviors and he didn’t judge us and so for that, we are eternally grateful.

Sid:  Now, how long did this bazaar behavior last after he went through his deliverances?

Karen:  You know the rage and the acting out and the physicalities stopped pretty quickly, there was no more of that.  We still catch him with a pencil eraser in his pocket every so often and he would still pick at little pieces of paper and eat them, but the rage stopped and he quickly began being so successful at stuff and catching up that it really caught the attention of the teachers.  In fact he was in a program called structure teach at this school where he basically had close to one on one attention.  He actually had his own full time aid just for him when he was sick, that’s how bad he was, that very quickly after that he did not need his aid.  And then within a year and a half on the calendar we had to move him just to a regular class with some inclusion and resource help.  And it was a scary and exciting time for me to see him progress and he was going into regular classes now.  He wasn’t in Special Ed all day long, which is huge.

Sid:  Tell me some of his accomplishments; I want to hear a proud Momma.

Karen:  Oh, well I was just so proud of him every day of my life, you know it’s the simplest things that maybe other people won’t call accomplishments but he just makes choices.  He can make decisions, he could play with other children, he could participate in group activities without flipping out.  And that everybody in the world didn’t know that there was something wrong with your kid, he could stay in his Sunday school class, he could go to a Birthday Party and I wasn’t waiting for the other shoe to drop.  He was just a normal boy that was his accomplishment that was all I ever wanted was a normal boy.

Sid:  How is he in sports?

Karen:  He is amazing, he’s amazingly gifted.  He is an amazing bowler, he’s throwing the discus right now; he was just in the county newspaper for high score on the High C basketball team.  He just continues to blow my mind away everyday with his accomplishments.  And he’s humble, he’s quiet, he’s not one to need attention for himself and he’s you know the apple of my eye.  I could never, ever thank God enough for what he’s done in our lives.

Sid:  Looking back, at the bleakest moment of your life when your son is punching his fist through a wall and trying to eat the material and doing all these bazaar behaviors; did you ever think that he would be as a wonderful young man as he’s turned out to be?

Karen:  Oh no, I knew in my heart of hearts that he was going to have to live in an institution.  Now I would rent the movie “Rain Man” and watch it over and over and over again.  And I knew that was what was going to happen, I knew he was going to have to live in a facility and that I would have to see him on the weekends.  I knew that that was going to be outcome and for God to have totally unexplainably altered and prospered our lives the way He has, has given me a joy that I will share with every nation on this earth as long as I live.  Because people need to know there’s hope, there’s hope for any situation, no matter if your disease has a name yet, if your situation has a name yet, that the name of Jesus covers it all.

Sid:  Just out of curiosity would people, because your book is too new, it is literally just off the press, when people hear your testimony, have any people been healed of autism?

Karen:  Yes, there are seven families that I know of over the years of hearing this testimony.  Of course we did a video tape which you have shown on your show and we will still have a clip of it.  And then I had a compilation book of it come out and there have been seven families that have gone back specifically to Gospel Revelation Ministry and have had complete healing for their children with autism.

Sid Roth:  Has anyone ever told you that when they read your book they want their children to read it because it’s such a faith builder?  That’s what the producer of my television show told me.

Karen:  Yeah, it just, you know brings hope into any situation.  When this first happened in my life, I thought it meant that this book, just like you said would be just for people with autism and it’s not about that at all God didn’t work this out for that.  He worked it out so you could have hope for anything.  And because it was so extreme, then people can believe for that, we walk out our lives so that somebody behind us can go, “Oh, Sid walked that out, Karen walked that out through the power of Jesus and I can.  Our testimonies is what builds faith in the person behind us, and that’s why it’s our responsibility to share the truth, the whole truth, not watered down, exactly what God did to honor Him back in some little way with a miracle that he gave you.

Wesley:  Well, you know Sid, actually the ancient Jewish patterns spans 3500 years is what I found out and that it really begins with Joshua 1:8.  When Joshua was going to take the children of Israel into the land God tells them that he wants them to mediate on the law, that’s the word of God day and night.  And so that and the direction of course is to God and so that’s really to mediate is out loud recitation, out loud recitation and I call that prayer.  Pray the law, that’s the Bible; direction to God and the frequency, was day and night.  In other words, the people sacrificed as the priest offered sacrifice to God in the fire the people were to offer sacrifice of prayer and praise in the morning and the evening.  And that pattern that was established from Joshua at the beginning of Israel in the land became the pattern that Jesus Himself observed as He was obedient in all the way.

Stacy:  And I want to say this is that Jesus prayed it this way, in fact if you want this kind of prayer is for everybody, it’s not for Ministers or spiritual people.  If you want victory in your life, let’s say you’re struggling with a sin; let’s say you’re being tempted.  When Jesus was tempted of the devil what He would do He would say “It is written, and He would take the prayer of scripture and He would quote scripture back at the devil.  And you see I, like I say I started as a sixteen year old in a completely non-Charismatic environment all by myself and learned how to pray this way and I’ve overcome an eating disorder through praying this way, I’ve overcome generational addictions, this is for anybody who wants to live a life of victory.  All of my supernatural experiences come out of times of prayer and constant consistent daily practice of getting myself before God as the source of all supernatural power, all revelation, all wisdom.  And I want to this is that, if you just want victory in your life, do what Jesus did, pray the Bible out loud to God and resist the devil with it.  Wesley:  Stacy I want just to mention with this our last program you know that word in Joshua 1:8 there’s a major word there and it’s called hagah and it’s a Hebrew word, hagah and that’s the word that we translate the word mediate.  Now strangely I found this in our study for the book is that hagah is translated as a eleven different English words in our Bibles and not just one.  It’s not only mediate, Isaiah says that the lion Hagah’s over His prey.  I think it is Isaiah 34 which mean and it’s translated the lion growls.  It’s called muttering and the word Hagah in Hebrew is out loud speaking or muttering which causes the act of mediation.

Sid:  So how in the world did we ever learn to read our Bible silently?

Wesley:  Well, we do that because we’re a western you know Greek based culture, but the children were oral.  Now think of this, Joshua 1:8 there are 2 million refugees going from Egypt, none of them read; they are oral culture and God commands the entire people to mediate on the Law.  And I always say this; they got two problems, 1. they don’t read; 2. there’s no books.  The Law was a scroll 80 feet long carried by two or three men on the – written on calves skin, on animal skin.  So the Jews began to teach their children to mutter the law, they would recite it.  David said, he says “I mediate on the law day and night, which means David recited the law.  And I say this, if the Jews, when David recited the law and then he began to sing that law back to God through his emotions that’s how he created the Psalms.  The law was the; the Psalms was the law sung through his emotions.

Sid:  Wesley, can you give me an example an actually mediate on a scriptures or prayer a scripture the way you tell us to in your book.

Wesley:  Well, in fact like even the Lord’s Prayer, you know you would just say, “Our Father who is in heaven, Holy is Your name.  God today we say that your name is holy, You are the Mighty One; the Majestic One; Holy is Your Name.  Let Your Kingdom Come, Let Your will be done.  God we’re asking that your Kingdom would come today in the earth right here.  Let Your will be done in my life, in my life in the earth.  God I want to bring Your Kingdom in my life; so the phrase becomes paraphrase expression of your heart.

Sid:  And just out of curiosity when you’re praying the scriptures, how long do you usually do this?

Wesley:  Any time is fine, I ask Dan Jester who is one of the leaders of the Messianic Congregation; I said, “You know it’s called the hour of prayer in Acts 3:1.  I said “Why do they call it the hour of prayer?”  He goes “Hey go figure.”  I actually asked a rabbi that and they said that it would take a Jew about forty minutes to say the prayers like they did in the ancient times, the 18 Benedictions and all.  And so we try to encourage people you know, even thirty minutes where you take a scripture and you begin to walk it and your beginning to pray it and your beginning to recite it over and over, and you’re saying it out loud.  And what happens is very quickly even if you’re not into it, even if you are not in the Spirit of prayer Smith Wig-glesworth said, “I begin in the flesh and I end in the Spirit.”  And so we encourage you know once and twice a day praying thirty minutes or more praying the scripture like this.

Sid:  You know the ancient Jewish method has just been lost for too long and if we ever needed a time to have our prayers get through to heaven and have God answer our prayers it’s now.  And as you and Stacy said, “That everything’s supernatural in your life is rooted in praying the Bible.”  And you’ve listed the scriptures to pray and the categories and actually this is full course that you have taught in over 200 hundred cities worldwide and this is an endtime mentoring tool…  Stacy I promised our people that you would pray for an impartation for prophecy.  Would you do that now?

Stacy:  Okay I would love to do that and like I said, my whole Ephesians 1:17 says this, “Give us the Spirit of Wisdom and Revelation in the knowledge of God.”  And my whole prophetic understanding always came out of times of prayer.  My top prophetic experiences were at where I was in my hour of prayer.  So I want to say that they’re totally extricable linked.  So Father, I pray God freely we have received and freely we give.  Lord I desire Lord like Moses said, “I wish all God’s people were prophets” and like Paul said, “I wish they all spoke in tongues” but even more God I pray that they would prophesy.  I’m asking you God for the Spirit of Prophecy, the very testimony of Christ Himself, of Jesus Himself.  I’m asking you God that this Spirit of Prophecy would hit your people like it did in the Book of Acts, fill them God so that they prophecy, so that they dream dreams, so that they have visions.  I’m asking you Holy Spirit even now come upon your people, come upon the listeners in their car God, come as they dream tonight, as they go to sleep tonight Lord, let them dream dreams and let them have visions and let their whole life be rocked with the revelation of Jesus Christ.  I pray for this God, that all of your people would walk in supernatural understanding of who You are through the Spirit of Wisdom and Revelation that’s grounded in your Word in Jesus name.  Amen.

Sid:  Amen.  And once again explain to me why God said in 2009 that there would be fire.  Do you believe that it would be in the natural like forest fires? Stacy:  Well, you know strangely enough I had this in about September; I just was at a conference and suddenly the Lord said, “Days of fire.”  And the scripture was Luke 12, you know about based on the baptism, “I baptize you with water, but One’s coming that will baptize you.”  In Luke 3, John says “With the Spirit and fire” and you know Jesus had a subsequent baptism,  He said, “I have a baptism to undergo in Luke 12.  In “How I wish it we’re already accomplished.”  And basically the idea was that we are moving into a very very intense time in the Spirit, in the natural, but and it’s going to be a purifying time, a refining time.  But I actually saw literal fires and after that time that was when the Anaheim Hills went on fire, I mean that’s when Gaza, you saw the things of Gaza on fire.  I actually believe it will be played out in natural fires like, I saw bombs, I saw you know and I feel like that there’s…

Sid Roth:  It’s time to pray.  I want to bless you right now.  “The Lord bless you and keep you.  The Lord cause His countenance to shine upon you and be gracious to you.  The Lord grant you His Shalom, His completeness in your spirit, in your soul and in your body…

Sid:  My guest all this week has been Dr. Todd Coontz and he has been raised up by God, why because we are not supposed to live under the world’s financial system.  God has something better for us but our course must be God and Todd is revealing things that God has taught him over a number of years that have worked in his life based purely on the word of God that many, many people that get his teaching or sit under his teaching he’s operating in their life.  And he has an anointing that will cut years off of what it took him to learn these things.  As a matter of fact Todd, you had the privilege of getting to know Dr. Oral Roberts in his last years before he was promoted to heaven.  And he told you so many secrets that you’re using today, tell me one.

Todd:  You know Dr. Oral Roberts became a very dear and close friend; in fact we would talk on the phone at least once a week in fact sometimes more.  I have been in his home, stayed with him all day, he taught me so many things, of course God used him to bring about his healing power, God’s healing power to his generation.  Taught me much about seed faith; taught me much about the law of Genesis, the law of reciprocity.  I remember I was sitting with him one day, we were eating lunch and I looked at him and I said, “Dr. Roberts I said, “What is your greatest lifetime discovery about Genesis 8:22 “As long as the earth remains, there will be seed time and harvest?”  And he paused for a moment and he looked at me and he said, “My greatest discovery about Genesis 8:22 is sowing a seed for a desired result.  He called it, “Naming your seed.”  And I asked him to elaborate on this and he began to talk with me about the importance of sowing and reaping, not just sowing seed, but expecting a harvest.  As we all know that any farmer that wants to reap a harvest he has to find good soil because good soil determines the quality of the soil will determine the future of any seed.  A seed by itself can’t multiply it has to have soil, everything is a seed.  Times is a seed, thoughts are seeds, words are seeds, you listening today on this radio broadcast is a seed, every human on the earth is a seed sower and also a reaper.  We heard the reaping part in a negative sense; we’ve heard people say “You’re going to get what’s coming to you.”  Have you ever heard anybody say “What goes around comes around?”  Well, that’s the law of seed time harvest working in a negative effect.  If you can sow bad seed and get a bad harvest, then I believe you can sow good seed and get a good harvest.  And it’s important that we sow seed and know that everything seed, not just our finances but everything is seed.  When we’re good to our wives, that’s a seed; when we’re kind into someone that’s a seed; when we reach out to the hungry that’s a seed.  I think that one of the greatest seeds we can sow is when we reach out to the Jewish people because God’s says when we bless them he will bless us.  So when we taught that day about seed time and harvest and he said, “Todd, anytime you sow make sure you sow with expectation.”

Sid:  By the way Todd, I want to tell you something that you may not know.  When Oral Roberts first started in ministry do you know what kind of ministry he had?  It wasn’t a healing ministry, you know what it was?

Todd:  What was it?

Sid:  A Jewish ministry.

Todd:  Boy, now see I did not know that.

Sid:  I had an idea you didn’t, but go ahead; I want to hear what he said that had such an effect on you.

Todd:  I did not know that, so when we were talking about it, he said “That it was not enough to sow a seed, you have to learn how to expect a harvest, expect a harvest.”  You know expectation is a magnifier of our faith.  You know your seed is what God will multiply, just like he does a farmer.  A farmer if he wants to multiply he has to sow seed, if he sow’s a lot of seed he reaps a lot of harvest.  But it’s not enough just to sow seed in good soil, you have to have expectation.  This is real important because Dr. Roberts looked across the table at me and said, “Todd, when I sow my seed, he said, “I forget about it, I no longer think about the seed.”  He said, “My mind transitions to the harvest.”  He says, “I think about the harvest, I dream about the harvest, I look for the harvest.”  He told me one day when we were on the phone he said, “Todd, you hold the seed, God holds the harvest.”  The difference in the seed and reaping a harvest is expectation.  I would urge you today listening not just to sow seed, but sow seed with expectation.  Matthew 7:7 says “That if you ask, you will receive, if you seek, you will find, if you knock the door will be opened.   Matthew 7:11 says “If you being evil,” talking about us, “know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give to those that ask, seek and knock?”  Oral Roberts used to say, “God is a good God, God is a good God.”  He would open his international crusades with this phrase.  “Something good is going to happen to you today.”  This was important because he was building expectation, expectation magnifies your faith.  Expectation is the heart beat of faith.  You heard me say a moment ago, I want to reiterate your seed is what God multiplies; your expectation is why He multiplies it.  My life changed over twenty years ago when I got a hold of “Seed time harvest.”  Not just sowing a seed, but expecting God to be good to me.  I would urge you with all of my heart today, to make God your total source of supply.  I have been in a financial business for over twenty years, I am a financial teacher.  God has called me to teach biblical economics, not the system of the world, the system of greed.  But the system of giving, giving to gospel, giving to the good works.

Sid:    Help me out though, there’s something that I need to understand, when Oral talks about expectation, give me a concrete example.  You have just given a $100 to a ministry; tell me what you do based on what Oral suggested as far as your expectation.

Todd:  I begin to think about what is the need that I have right now, what is it that I need God to do.  It could be financially, it could be in my family, it could even be a healing.  I’ve seen supernatural things a list of them when people sow seeds, but I focus on what is the need that I have.  And when I sow that seed as an expression of my faith; when I sow financial seed it’s an expression of my faith because it took the best of my time, my day, my thoughts, my calendar.  I trade in all of that the best of me for finances.  When I bring a financial seed back to God I’m acknowledging that he’s Lord of my life.

Sid Roth:  Okay, you what you said is that you name your seed.  Do you between the day that you five the $100 and you name your seed, do you think about that much?

Todd:  I do, if I’m needing a financial breakthrough I say “God, I say God I need a financial breakthrough, this is what I’m believing for.”  And I believe to look for financial breakthrough, I begin to expect financial breakthrough.  I begin to believe that someone’s going to show me favor; I begin to believe for a promotion, I begin to look for supernatural ways where God is going to bless me based on me obeying His word about sowing seed.  I expect it, I believe it and when I receive it, when I receive it I begin to praise God and glorify Him for that.  You know the Bible in Deuteronomy chapter 28 verses 1-13 there are ten promises I call them the covenant blessings.  Three things happened at Calvary, #1 God saved us, #2 God healed us; but #3 God broke the curse of lack.  And I’m so excited, I’m feeling stirred right now, I want to pray a prayer for you today because many are facing great financial dilemmas; maybe your facing something in your business of your family.  But I want to pray over your life because I believe you need God to have intervened in your life right now and for breakthrough to happen in your life.  “Father, I come into a covenant right now with my dear friend, my brother, my sister in Christ; I decree in Jesus name as they sow seed in obedience to your word; as they sow seed both believing with expectation of a harvest Lord I pray that their business would turn around, finance would turn around, finance would turn around, marriages would turn around, favor would explode in their life.”  “I pray that the seed will magnify their faith and great harvest will come in Jesus name.”

Sid:  We want everyone everywhere to be red hot for Messiah and my guest Dr. LaDonna Taylor has such a strong anointing in area of any sort of tormenting things, such as suicide, discouragement, fear, mental problems. It kind of reminds me LaDonna of King Saul when David would play the harp he would calm down.  Have you noticed that with your music?

LaDonna:  I have absolutely noticed that with my music, it’s the most amazing thing how the Lord get’s inside the notes and it’s as though the music can bypass unbelief and bypass things and go directly to your spirit.

Sid:  Is that why there are so many miracles that are released when you play your music and speak?

LaDonna:  I believe that, I’ve come to a point in my life that I believe that the Lord can just do anything.  I totally know that when I put the violin under my chin, and I put the bow on the strings and start to play, it’s a true connection to heaven.

Sid:  What happens when a song such as one of the ones we picked out your two best CD’s that we’re making available this week.  What about the song “All Hail the Power of Jesus”, what happens when you release those notes in a congregation?

LaDonna:  An actual atmosphere of victory comes in.  I know some different Hymns and I feel that some music, certain music has assignments.  Certain combinations of notes have assignments and the Hymn “All Hail the Power of Jesus Name” this, this song carries victory with it, it carries breakthrough with it for people especially people with long term issues.

Sid:  Have you seen many miracles released when you play this music?

LaDonna:  I have.

Sid:  Tell me one particular miracle that comes to mind, maybe not from this particular song but from just your music in general.

LaDonna:  Yes, I remember I was in the state of Missouri, a young woman came forward she was deaf in her right ear, and proceeded to tell me that she only had prosthetic bones in her ears because she was born deaf. The doctors were trying to rebuild her ear so she could have some kind of hearing there.  She was totally deaf even with plastic bones there and she… the doctors had not completed what they were going to do.  They were telling her that it was going to be a years and years of a process.  Instantly the Lord opened her ear that morning.

Sid:  Well, I believe that instantly people are going to set free and I believe that this is going to be a platform because of the unique music “All Hail the Power of Jesus.” Watch what happens!  Let’s hear this.

LaDonna:  Worship excerpt of “All Hail the Power of Jesus.”

LaDonna:  All Hail the Power of Jesus Name! How amazing that we have the honor and the privilege to proclaim His power, to proclaim the mighty Name.  When you honor Him and you proclaim that and you hail the power, He’ll come close.  He loves for you to totally focus on Him.  The same power that brought Him from the grave, the word of God tells us works in your body, in the name of the Lord.  I thank you Lord that fibromyalgia disappears right now.  I thank you Lord that the person that’s listening with the third and fourth vertebrae according to your physician, that it’s been fused in the name of Jesus your back is healed in Jesus name!  Now I thank you Lord for that one that’s listening totally lost hope in Jesus name, be healed, be set free, Lord bring peace into that.   Thank you Lord for that, thank you Lord in Jesus name, victory I proclaim all hail the power of Jesus name.

Sid: Boy, I’m just basking in His presence right now.  As your speaking, if I had to push you for the greatest miracle beyond salvation that you have seen in your ministry, describe that.

LaDonna:  That would be probably a young man that came to the altar using a cane, he had a brace on his leg, he said that his bones were like Jell-O, that’s why he had to wear the brace.  And that was result of combat in the most recent war here.  And we were actually playing this music when he came to the altar.  I instructed him to go take the brace off; we felt the strongest presence of the Lord.  I actually felt Jesus standing beside this young man.  He left the congregation, took the brace off and come back without his cane and with no pain in his leg, walking without the cane and without the brace with bones that were supposed to be made of Jell-O.

Sid:  I can imagine what the rest of the congregation was when they saw that.

LaDonna:  Wow, yes.

Sid Roth:  Do you fine that faith is contagious?

LaDonna:  Absolutely, an example of that is that the first two or three people that would come up, you know to have hands on or to just to come up to the altar.  You know the Lord can heal you sitting in your seat or in a congregation, but many times the Lord would have me encourage the people to come forward.  The Lord is healing people while they are listening to us.  Well, I’m telling you that He absolutely is the Healer, but when you see the first two or three miracles, many, many many people start getting up and coming forward to touch God.  Not to touch me, but to touch God.