Sid: It is so mandatory and you become normal; that you walk in the miraculous, you talk in the miraculous, you have such intimacy with God. You experience the Father’s heart and my guest, Chad Dedmon has. And some of the things that have gone on, for instance I can’t mention the name but in 2005 Chad, you were in the Houston Astrodome, that was right after Hurricane Katrina hit and all the homeless people were in there and you went in with the team and about how many people would you say got healed from your team?
Chad: Over three probably about 3 – 400 people and that’s conservative, I mean we would have healing outbreaks. We were only there for three days but we would have healing out breaks where people would get out of wheelchairs. People would actually get healed just walking by, I mean it was amazing. And this man screamed at me; started screaming, “What did you do? What did you do?” And he was a few feet away and he got healed completely in his knee.
Sid: You just explained to me about the power of the testimony, what does that tell you about people listening to us that have problems with their knees right now?
Chad: Oh, Jesus is healing people’s knees right now, there is actually going to be electricity, there is going to be a heat in people’s knees and that’s the healing presence of Jesus and so we just release your healing presence right now, touch the knees. And even somebody with a hip problem is being healed right now; so the Lord has released Your healing presence.
Sid: Now, while you were there at the Houston Astrodome, going about praying for the sick which was normal for you, you saw a famous celebrity that you’ve asked me not to identify but everyone would recognize this person if they saw her and what happened?
Chad: Yeah, I got brought into a green room to announce that we were doing a healing service and so I prayed for the man that was over it and he had metal in his back and the metal completely dissolved, it got completely healed. And so he said, “Would you do this for others that are in need in the Astrodome and I said, “I would be happy to.” And so she was there and I had a Word of Knowledge where the Lord spoke to me and said, “Tell her that at five years old her red bicycle was stolen and that I’m giving her back her red bike.” I thought God, this can’t be you, there is no way I’m going to tell her this, I mean she had body guards and so I yelled about twenty feet away, I said, “Excuse me, the Lord is saying that He’s restoring, he’s giving you back the red bicycle that was stolen from you when you were five years old.” Well, the bodyguards are rushing me, they grab me and she says, “Wait, what he is saying is true.” And so she brings me over and so I began to talk to her. I began to say hey, “The Lord is telling me other things about you, He’s saying that you’ve been propelled into a place of promotion, into a place of influence, but you’re called to be a writer, you’re to write many different books. You’re going to actually fund orphanages; you are to have a Spirit of Adoption that breaks the orphan spirit to the nation. And I began to just read her mail, and actually I got some things about her past where she was hurt by the church a great deal when she was nine years old and when she was ten years old and she began to weep. And so she said that she’s on a spiritual journey and that she is trying to find the one true answer, the one true God. And I began to minister to her and she said, “Thank you so much,” she gave me her card and we’ve been able to…
Sid: How did you actually get beyond those bodyguards that were surrounding her?
Chad: Supernaturally God giving me insight into her life, I mean this was a word…
Sid: But how did she even hear this if your separated from her.
Chad: I took a bold step and I yelled this to her to where she could hear.
Sid: What did you yell?
Chad: I just yelled, “Excuse me, I know that this doesn’t make sense, but I said, you had a red bicycle at five years old and it was stolen from you and God is saying that He is giving you back a red bicycle.
Sid: I just think that this is so phenomenal do you know that anyone could be reached for the Lord when you have that type of knowledge about their background?
Chad: Exactly, exactly and it will open the door to her heart, she knew that this was true, she knew that…
Sid: And you’re in process of sharing with her but you could have never got, you could have never even talked to this woman if you weren’t bold enough to shout out something that happened when she was a young child.
Chad: Yeah, and I thought to myself this has got to be something that I’m making up, and I just went for it, it was that small still voice and I was just like, “Is this me, is this God.” And I was just warring with that in myself and I said, “You know what, I’m just going to go for it, I have an opportunity to speak to this lady, and I’m just going to go for it.”
Sid: Now, you walk in what you and your Father calls supernatural favor, what is that and can everyone walk in that?
Chad: Yes, everybody can walk in that, as you grow in favor with God, you’ll grow with favor with man. And that is the key is that Jesus grew with favor with God and man at the same time. And as you begin to seek Him, as you begin to seek the Kingdom, all these things will be added to you, Jesus told us. And so yeah, I’ve had radical things happen to me, meeting Benny Hinn on the side of the street.
Sid: How did you meet him?
Chad: Well, I had just got done surfing, I love to surf and I was driving and I got to a red light, but I didn’t have a shirt on, all I had was my swimming trunks and my hair was a mess and so I really wasn’t ready to go and see someone of influence. And so I’m driving and I look over and I see this man that he had a diamond ring, and that kind of caught my eye. And he rolls down his window, he motioned to roll down my window and he says to me, young man who are you; the anointing of God is all over you? And I’m thinking, oh he’s not going to know who Chad Dedmon is and I say, “Well, I’m one of the Pastors down the road,” and he gets out of his car, walks over to me. The light turns green and people start honking, and so he hops back into his car, stretches out his hand and then says “I pray that the glory and the anointing never leaves this young man’s life.” And he turns right and I went straight.
Sid: And I mean, this does not happen to normal people, this only happens to someone that has the favor of God. And are you saying to me as you draw closer to God, His favor increases.
Chad: Yes, I am saying that, that is one of the key ingredients, I didn’t understand for a long time why I had so much favor, why prophets would prophecy over me, they would call me out of a big crowd. I didn’t understand you know, I would meet people on the side of the street, I would meet people just randomly in airplanes and in airports and I would just like “Why do I have so much favor?” And I started unlocking the scriptures and unlocking truths that it is all connected to me being in the secret place seeking His face and that being the number one priority in my life. And as that happens,…
Sid: Is that more important than even ministry?
Chad: Oh, way more important, it has to flow out of your relationship with Him, intimacy with the Father, that is where ministry comes from, that’s where fruit happens is when you look at Jesus’ life. Jesus is perfect theology and as you study His life that He would be in the middle of the greatest breakthroughs in the supernatural, the greatest breakthroughs in His ministry and He would say, “Wait a second, I have to go and be with the Father.”
Sid: You know I’m looking at my notes and you have, and it’s a Hebrew word and it’s called Chutzpa and that mean, you have nerve. You were at a Denny’s Restaurant and you actually stood on a chair and made announcement?
Chad: Yeah, we would be in Denny’s and you know just eating some pancakes and God starts showing up and I got on a chair and I started calling out words of knowledge and I said, “There’s someone here that broke their foot. And so this lady, way down the way, she broke her foot just a couple days before, she had a big cast and we begin to pray for her. She started feeling heat like electricity in her foot, and I said, “Can you tighten it up, would it normally be painful if you tightened up your muscles?” She said, “Oh yeah, it would be really painful,” so she tightened it up and she did have any pain. I looked at her and said, “Well, let’s take this thing off, what do you think about that?” And she said, “I’d love to take this thing off and test it out.” And the cooks came out of the kitchen to watch God show up supernaturally and the cook says I’ve got a hack saw I the back. And so he goes and grabs his hack saw, starts sawing away at the cast, breaks open the cast and this lady was a dancer. She began to dance all over Denny’s and she was completely healed.
Sid: Tell me about the grocery store where you actually got on the intercom, but very quickly.
Chad: Yes, I just went into the grocery store to get some donuts, I was walking through the aisle way and I saw this lady that was paying for her groceries, she had a hearing aid and we’re always taught you know, you don’t need Holy Spirit goose bumps necessarily, you don’t have to have a feeling or word of knowledge, but if you see somebody with a cast or hearing aid, it is just open target, it is a green light; go for it. So I went up to her and I said, “Can I pray for you?” And she said, “Yes.” So I had her take out her hearing aid, I prayed for her a simple prayer and the lady, the cash register lady was watching this whole thing take place, she was about twenty years old. And so I prayed for her and I said “Okay, now repeat after me,” she was 95% deaf for over thirty years and so I removed my hands; I began to back pedal and she’s repeating every word I’m saying. And then the cash register lady says, “I can’t hear you anymore,” and that’s when this lady in her mid-forties realizes she has better hearing than this twenty year old.
Sid: Tell me about getting on the PA, the intercom, well I approached the cash register lady, she was crying and I said, “This is God, there is no way that I could do this, this supernatural, can I get on the intercom and just release more things that God wants to do supernaturally?” And so she said, “Sure.” So I get on the intercom and I say, attention all shoppers, God is in the building and He’s healing, and I started calling out words of knowledge, people started gathering about twenty-five people. And this lady came in on a motorized cart and she said that she’s going in on a hip replacement surgery, well I pray for her and the lady that just got healed of her ears and she starts praying with me. And we pray for her together, she moves and get completely healed, she runs, she jumps out of her motorized cart, she starts running around aisle ways screaming Jesus, just healed me. This man comes to me and says “I have carpel tunnel on both wrists and I play a piano professionally and teach and it’s the way I make my living; I’m in constant pain.” I begin to pray for him, he gets completely healed. And I have this thought in my head; “Well the Kingdom just showed up, it is probably a good idea to introduce the King.” And so I tell them, “Hey Jesus died on the cross for these people to get healed, but He also died on the cross for you to have a personal relationship with Him and to be your best friend.”
Sid: Did any of them get saved?
Chad: Oh, all their hands.
Sid: God wants everyone to be red hot for the Messiah and all this week I’ve been interviewing John Paul Jackson on what he calls “The Coming Perfect Storm.” It involves five areas of society, it involves geophysical, war, politics, religion, economics and we’re in the midst of it right now. And he has seen out ten years as to what’s going to happen, but I’ve been saying all this week, it’s going to be the worst time for planet earth, but it’s going to be the best time for believers. Now, one of the things that you see that will be growing rapidly John Paul is house churches; tell me what you see.
John Paul: Well, I see people because of economic issues, because of fuel issues, travel issues ect, house churches are going to be growing and you are going to see incredible things happening because of the unity of the believers and in the group of the house churches combined with “The Perfect Storm” of religion, politics, economics, war and geophysical events that are going to be transpiring, you are going to see people drawing closer to God and closer to each other, closer to the family and closer to God.
Sid: Now you also see a lot of churches going under for economic reasons.
John Paul: There’s going to be some major churches that will end up closing the doors because of financial issues, they won’t be able to make their payments. There are churches that have 100,000 a month payments right now on their facilities and they aren’t going to be able to make those payments. So major churches are going to go under and that will also cause house churches to flourish. In this issue of the House Churches you are going to see with that intimacy with each other and the growing intimacy with God you are going to begin to see God pouring out His Spirit into those people and you are going to start seeing people rising up with the greater amount of signs and wonders that the consistency of signs and wonders that we haven’t been seeing in a while, a long time actually.
Sid: Can you be a little more specific?
John Paul: Well, you are going to see people praying and having food placed on the tables. You are going to seeing people praying and seeing gasoline put in their cars. You are going to see groups of people gathered together and the power of agreement is what I heard in the vision, the power of agreement watch the power of agreement. And it’s not just one person, it is the effectual and the fervent and James said it. The fervent and the effectual prayer of a righteous man avails much, when you put righteous people together you get that fervency of prayer that unity of belief and you’re going to see some explosive miraculous things begin to happen for people that have that level of faith. We are going to be drawn to the Lord who is the creator of Heaven and Earth and in whom all things exist and in him is the fullness of life. There is that reality, we think that our bank account is a form of fullness of life, that our retirement account is a form of fullness of life. Our stock portfolio is a form of fullness of life and the reality is nothing of man brings the fullness of life. It’s Him, were going to be drawn back to that and home churches, house churches are going to have a great deal to do with that.
Sid: Now what is going to happen to true Christians like for instance you talk a little bit about living in the glory and hearing His voice, tell me a bit about that.
John Paul: Well, part of that had to do with what the scripture would call and in the vision I saw and I heard called the Jacob generation. And it was, I looked it up obviously when I heard it and then I found that it obviously was Psalms 24. And this generation of those that seek the face of the Lord will have incredible things happen. They are going to be able to call on the name of the Lord and have Him act on their behalf in ways that have not been seen in a long long time. The ability for to, let me back up just a second, the thick presence of the Lord. This, what I saw was this honey like thickness that came into homes and came into churches as well. Not just house churches but regular churches that we’re looking at now.
Sid: You know, I have felt that happening on this broadcast right now, there’s an increase in glory of God just talking about it.
John Paul: Yea, that thick presence of the Lord that’s not just, some people say well the, how do you say the presence of the Lord is thicker or less thick? I don’t know all I know is that when I saw this thick presence of the Lord coming, whoever was in that thick presence of the Lord, everything and anything that they asked for was granted. I saw woman, for example in this one scene I saw a woman who is terminally ill and her husband was terminally ill and the literally could see kind of the shimmering gold glory of God. They ran to it and ran into it and she was instantly healed and she called out to her husband to come into it and he stubbornly refused.
Sid: It almost sounds like Lot’s wife.
John Paul: It was like the opposite, the man refused instead of Lot’s wife refusing, the woman was in it and was instantly healed, begging her husband to come into it. And I saw families, husbands and wife crying out for the lost children asking God to bring them, crying for God to bring their children in and before they could even finish their prayer their children burst through the doors into the sanctuary and were wailing, crying and already repenting before they even got to the Mom and Dad that was in this incredible presence of the Lord, this thick glory, this amber colored glory, honey like but it was amber in color. And so this type of miraculous is going to be giving to those in this Jacob generation I believe. Ancient doors are going to be opening, spiritual truths that have been hidden for a long time because of the hardness of our hearts are going to be revealed, as our hearts become more tender there are going to be spiritual truths that have been hidden in scripture. The scriptural truths are going to be revealed and it will change the way that we relate to each other and the way that we relate to God. I saw the strength and power of the Lord coming into circumstances fighting on peoples behalf, circumstances that looked like it would take years to resolve over were resolved in one meeting or in a fifteen minute phone conversation. I saw also the glory of the Lord resting on individual homes where common men and women might call common men and women not ordained ministers, not bible school trained, suddenly had the presence of the Glory resting on their home and it changed the entire neighborhood. People were coming in and being ministered to. And I saw people coming out from that home the husband and wife of that home going out and they would go to grocery stores and they would pray for the sick and the people would be healed. They would pray and the line at the gas station and people would be healed, it seemed like everywhere that these people went they were ministering to other people, they weren’t just keeping their Christianity silent, they were vocal and they were demonstrative and they had the power of God flowing not only from them but through them. From Him through them and touching other people because they looked for every opportunity to display the glory of God.
Sid: John Paul Jackson with the economic woes that you say are coming on the world, would you advise people to maybe cut down on their giving and maybe put that in savings instead?
John Paul: Well, that’s one sure way to go broke. Ha ha-ha.
Sid: Ha ha-ha.
John Paul: No, all throughout scripture you are going to find that Joseph sowed in the time of famine and he gained. The disciples when Agabus came and said that Paul was going to be buried with his coat, was going to be bound in Jerusalem and he declared a famine that was going to be happening and it happened. The disciples gave even when they prophesied famine was coming the disciples themselves said, “We have to give.” And what this whole scriptures is full of the understanding of this principle. When you give God will give back to you and the greatest time to give is in the time of need, as the widow of Zarephath found out that giving the last of her oil and the last of her flour to Elijah. She found out that the way to have future sustenance is by giving of your current sustenance.
Sid: Now, did God show you anything about the potential for President Obama becoming a born again Christian, where Jesus is Lord over his whole life?
John Paul: I pray that that will happen, but I have not seen anything like that. I didn’t see the opposite of that, but I didn’t see that happening either. So I don’t know, I pray that that would happened and in my prayers when as I pray for him daily, I ask God to make Himself known to him, make Himself real to him and cause him to come into a relationship with Him deeper than he has ever had before.
Sid: You know what I just told Patricia King to move in Words of Knowledge and just as I was giving the introduction for Patricia I heard the Holy Spirit say that there are people that are being healed right at this moment that has back problems. And it’s so important that if you have a back problem that you would bend over right now and walk right into your healing because it’s a gift from God right now. And necks are being healed right now and ears are being opened. Patricia there has been such a Presence of God’s Glory on all the days in which I interviewed you, but is God showing you something right now?
Patricia: Yeah, absolutely you know Sid, in the Glory, in the Glory there is not only healing, but there is health and strength and I’m sensing that someone that is listening to this program has been suffering from a depletion of strength. I think it has something to do with some stress that they’ve been through recently, but also an assault on their immune system so they felt weakened and it’s like depression on them as well. But right now the power of God is going into their body and energizing them, the power of the Glory manifested and healing and strength and vitality is entering them right now, so in the Name of Jesus Christ we loose that healing, we loose that health and strength to you. You who have been weakened are now strong, “Let the weak say, I am strong,” and actually “as you’re hearing this Word, just say that, “I am strong in the strength of the Lord.” Rise up and start walking around and the manifestation of that strength and vitality is going to come supernaturally to you.
Sid: Now, that’s not just for someone else, that’s for you, so you do that right now. Maybe you’re use to being entertained, but it’s time that you become, you go on to front and center stage. I mean stop being in the audience it’s time for you to on the stage and say “That’s me, I receive that supernatural strength, I receive that supernatural peace, that’s for me” because as Patricia King said “In the Bible gifts are for all people, the promises are for all people.”
Patricia: You know Sid I would really like to pray for any of the listeners today who are struggling with mental or emotional disorders.
Sid: But before you pray, tell me about one schizophrenic that was healed that you prayed for.
Patricia: Well, we had a gal come into our Restoration House which is a home where we have where we bring people out of the drug scene or prison or whatever and we love them to life and then give them a fresh chance; and our very first girl into this home had schizophrenia. She was on physiatric drugs and everything and just by loving her to life and living a realm of the Glory, living in an environment of the Glory she was delivered from the schizophrenia and she’s now completely off all of her drugs. We also saw two years ago a healing of a gal who was severely schizophrenic for ten years. She couldn’t function without drugs, she never left her house hardly and now she is totally free, she came to a healing conference with Randy Clark and our team was there and was completely set free. There is nothing too difficult for the Lord; we’ve seen people with manic depression also set free. People with chaotic fears and reactions completely set free and God can do it to the listeners today because His Glory is available to heal. And Father, In the Name of Jesus Christ I just release Your healing Glory right now to minds and emotions and body chemistries that need alignment. I release Your Glory into areas where there’s been shame and I lift off that shame and lift off the guilt in the Name of Jesus and introduce Your alignment and Your strength and Your emotions into these ones that have been suffering in the Name of Jesus we break the emotional disorders and release the healing Glory and the wholeness Glory of Your presence in Jesus Name.
Sid: Now I understand that you have extraordinary faith for certain conditions such as allergies, now there are a lot of people listening that suffer from allergies; would you pray for them?
Patricia: Yes, and Sid I’m in particular getting issues of asthma and breathing disorders because of allergies. So if that’s you and you’re listening to this program just bring you respiratory system before the Lord right now and I’m going to pray right into for the glory to come and fill you. So Father in the Name of Jesus Christ I ask for Your glory of healing to come into those that are suffering with allergies that have effect the respiration system. Lord in the Name of Jesus Christ, I call forth your power into the respiratory system in Jesus Name I command healing, I rebuke the allergies and the effect of those allergies in Jesus Name. I also see someone with a rash on the skin, it’s an allergic reaction I call forth your healing glory into that allergy right now and the reaction upon the skin and I command it stop from this time moment on and skin receiving your healing, receive the Glory of God right now. There’s someone else with an itchy throat. There’s an allergy that causes an itchy throat and sometimes a swelling that makes it even hard to breathe and in the Name of Jesus I command healing and I command that allergy to stop from this time forth and forever in Jesus Name.
Sid: You know Patricia one of the things that I find fascinating as I’m looking over my notes ….not just be a spectator come into the main arena of the play, this is your moment. God’s called you to fulfill your destiny and move in all of the gifts that God has for you; all the promises that God has for you, more in prophecy, in healing and being translated. Speaking of being translated tell about the time that you prayed for someone 1500 miles away in a hospital bed that was really sick.
Patricia: Yeah, this is a great way to minister healing, but I was translated to a hospital in Vancouver while I was in Phoenix, Arizona and my friend was sick. She had been diagnosed with a pulmonary embolism and as I was praying for her I went into like a transvision encounter where I was suddenly over her in the hospital. I saw her as real as I would see a person in a room. She did not see me; she was not aware of my presence or anything but I saw her and by faith I released healing. I don’t remember saying anything I just remember releasing the healing that Holy Spirit told me to release through faith. And then instantaneously I was back out of that room in the place where I was in Phoenix and within hours of that encounter I received a call from her daughter that said “The symptoms had lifted and that they were going to retest her in the morning and if she was okay she would be sent home.” They retested her, they said, “There’s nothing wrong, all the symptoms had gone, all the reports are cleared and they sent her home.”
Sid: Going back to your school of Glory, The Glory school, you have such important subjects, you teach on how to build a relationship with the Holy Spirit, could you give us a few tips.
Patricia: The Holy Spirit has been you know, so given to us as our mentor, our guide, the one who instructs us in walking in Divine Glory in Heavenly Glory; and so as we come to know the person of the Holy Spirit, how to hear His voice, how to minister where he shows us to minister and how He shows us to minister that is where we have fruit. So it’s learning how to posture ourself before Him, learning through the scriptures who He is and what He does, what His functions are and then by faith walking with Him into encounter.
Sid: Patricia, just in the last minute, tell us what is about ready to happen with God’s Glory on planet earth.
Patricia: Yes, we are going to see an acceleration of the manifests Glory of God, as darkness continues to grow deeper and deeper the Glory will intensify. That is why we have to align with God, align with His ways and purposes, align with His Word and walk in that Glory dimension from day to day because it’s going to accelerate not only around us in these coming days, but it’s going to invade the nations as well.
Sid: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest, Gary Keesee, says it’s time to just stop surviving. It’s time for you to be thriving. And Gary, I happen to believe that God Himself raised you up not to teach formulas, not to teach budgets, not to help people get out of debt in the natural realm, but in the supernatural realm. And tell me a bit about how we can expect this to happen in a time, in my lifetime, this is the worst time financially. Tell me some of the statistics that are going on in the United States.
Gary: Oh my. Well that would be a sad story and is a sad story. Right now, the United States is like any other family that you and I know that is seriously in debt, out of money and is living on credit cards. The United States is borrowing the debt that sits, you know, trillions of dollars of year, which is real debt that has real interest that we have to pay for, and so it’s not a good picture. And these deficits are ongoing for years and years, and years.
Sid: Now when I say Gary was hand picked, it’s because if he can do it through transferring kingdoms, you can do it through transferring kingdoms. You didn’t do too well in high school. How badly did you do?
Gary: There was only one guy lower than me in my class.
Sid: And what did they say to you when you started college?
Gary: They wouldn’t let me in, first off. And then I wanted to go to Bible school after I was born again and came to know the Lord. I got straight A’s there. Of course, I didn’t too well in high school. They said, “We see a change here and tell us about it.” So they let me come to college. Did my first class of English and I did my first paper. The paper came back with red ink. It said “F” on it and it said, “Is it even possible that you went to high school?”
Sid: Okay. Then you did the all-American dream. He gets married to the love of his life, but he’s in debt as he gets married, and the debt did nothing but increase. What was the worst debt you were in? What was going on with your credit cards
Gary: Which one? Which debt do you want to talk about?
Sid: The highest amount.
Gary: Well, I mean, it was hundreds of thousands of consumer debt, not mortgages. We lived on credit cards. We were in sales and we always had this mentality that tomorrow is going to be better than today in sales, you know, so we’ll pay it back then, and it never happened. Kept digging in and digging in. We had maxed out credit cards. We had judgments and liens. I mean, phone calls coming in everyday. We had been on the street and looking in trash cans for something we could use: furniture, carpeting.
Sid: Looking at you today, it’s hard to believe. But tell me how bad it was that day you had, it sounds to me like you almost threw in the towel. How bad was it when you did that?
Gary: Well Sid, I think that, we were already believers. We already loved God and going to church, actually leading worship in our church, helping in the church. And things kept becoming worse and worse. And we had used up every credit option, but we had run out of credit cards. And this one particular day, an attorney called and said, “We have a lawsuit against you.” And I’m thinking, okay, get in line. But this day, something happened inside of me. I realized that I had reached the end. There were no credit options left. I had already borrowed thousands of dollars from family members. There was no one I could go to. And at that moment, I realized, you know, I’m doing something wrong and there’s got to be, because the Bible talks about that God meets all of our needs.
Sid: Now there are people, you can relate to what Gary is saying. He’s been confessing God’s Word. He knows God’s Word. He is a believer. He loves God, but he’s gone from bad to worse. You were taking anti-depressants.
Gary: I was. I was having panic attacks. They couldn’t find out what’s wrong with. I didn’t know if I’d live or die. I had paralysis, heart palpitations. I was living in fear. And I had no money. Our refrigerator was empty. I mean, we would celebrate if we could even put half a tank in the car.
Sid: So he gets this call from the attorney. He’s being sued. How can he be sued? He didn’t have any money. He’s at the end of himself. He flops totally depressed in debt. And what did you say and what happened?
Gary: Well I just had to cry out to God because I didn’t know what to do. And He spoke to me, and he gave me Philippians 4:19, and it says, “And my God shall supply all of your needs according to His riches.” And that caught my attention because I knew my riches couldn’t do it. But how do I access His riches? And He went on and told me then that I had depended on debt, that I had never taken the time to learn His system, His Kingdom, how to operate it. I had to repent right then. I wanted to grab my wife’s hand and said, “Honey, the Lord just spoke to me and He said that we needed to repent and learn how His Kingdom operates, and that He would show me how to walk this out.”
Sid: Okay. He’s hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. It’s nice that he has this revelation right now. But where the rubber meets the road, how long did it take you to get out of debt and start accumulating money, just out of curiosity?
Gary: My life changed fast. It was like a light switch came on. God began to first teach me the principles of His Kingdom. Like a light came on, I began to see these revelations and how things operate, and that we had been set free from the curse, and how we can access these things. But in two and a half years, I paid everything off.
Sid: Two and half years? Hundreds and thousands, not counting your mortgage, not counting the car?
Gary: I paid everything off. I began to pay cash for my car, for land, houses.
Sid: What happened? Did you go to the mailbox and was there a check, you had just won the lottery? What happened?
Gary: No. God began to give me ideas for business, and we began to start businesses. In fact, we started three businesses that we still have.
Sid: So it took you to get out of debt, how long?
Gary: Two and a half years to pay everything off.
Sid: Okay. How long did it take you to accumulate some money?
Gary: Well a few years after that. We began to pay cash for cars and things immediately.
Sid: What about a house?
Gary: A few more years. We had a couple more years.
Sid: Did you pay cash for it?
Gary: We paid cash for the land, half the cash for the house and then we built the house.
Sid: How did you do it? Did you have money in the bank?
Gary: Yes. We began to save money.
Sid: These principles work.
Gary: Oh absolutely. The Kingdom is real and the principles of the Kingdom operate every time because it’s a law, Sid. It’s a law.
Sid: I’ll tell you, hold that thought. The principles, in fact, Gary calls himself a spiritual scientist. I want to find out why. Don’t go away we’ll be right back.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Nasir Sidiki and what happens if your brother, who is an ardent Moslem coming from a very high Moslem family, same last name, Siddiq(i), that most Muslims are familiar with. The first Caliph of all of Islam had that last name, and that was one of his ancestors. What happens when you’re healed of MS, you’re healed of life-threatening shingles, and both come back? The MS to his wife, the shingles to Nasir. What do you do? Do you say, I guess it didn’t work? I don’t know. What do you do?
NASIR: That would have been the normal reaction. The difference was that with Anita, she listened to the Word for two straight years, and I listened with her to the Word for two straight years. And when you have that much Word in you, you realize that Jesus carried every sickness and every disease. So when that tingling feeling started to come back on me with shingles, I realized immediately, wait a minute, is this shingles coming back or is this a tingling feeling? And the response was it was a tingling feeling. It was a symptom; the same thing with my wife.
SID: Now I want you to get this very, very clear. There is a difference between a symptom and a sickness, and if you don’t understand this, the devil could take advantage of you. So explain this,
NASIR: Well with her, the same thing happened. The symptoms of MS tried to come back. The doctors told me that shingles will be in my body for the rest of my life. The little bit of stress and it will erupt again. Well I had 10 times more stress and it’s never been able to erupt because I’ve been able to deal with the symptoms. Same with MS, oh yes, she’s okay now, but MS will be in her body for the rest of her life. Well no. The symptoms have come back. But we’ve been able to identify the difference between the symptom and the sickness. The average Christian, what happens is that the symptom comes back and immediately the response is, “Well I didn’t get healed, or I got healed and I lost it.”
SID: Now I remember many years ago, a young Jewish believer came to me and he didn’t need his glasses any more. He prayed and his eyes were normal. The next day, he needed his glasses. He said, “Sid, what happened?” And I said, “I don’t know.” Today, I know. But at that time I said, I don’t know. So what did you do when the symptom came back yourself?
NASIR: First, we had to identify it was a symptom. Second, we had to deal with it with the name of Jesus, and the authority that has been given to us by the Lord, Jesus Christ. And using the name and using the authority, we started to rebuke the symptom, and not open our mouth and acknowledge the sickness. Because the moment you open your mouth and acknowledge the sickness, you open the door for it to come back. And so we said, no, we’re not going there. This is a symptom and we’re going to deal with it as a symptom. Sometimes people get a headache and they think, well my sickness is a headache. Usually, it isn’t. The headache is a result of something else that is going on, and they never deal with the root. Well we had already dealt with the root, which was the sickness. We’re not going to deal with that again. Jesus carried that one. Now we’re going to deal with the symptom. And every time a symptom came, we were able to take that thought captive to the obedience of Christ, number one. Number two, we were able to use the authority of the believer that Jesus gave us and the name that is above every name, and rebuke every symptom.
SID: You know that is so wonderful. I wish everyone understood this. But what happens when your brother, who you love, who is a Moslem, dies and is in the morgue, in another country? What happened to you, Nasir?
NASIR: My brother, he died in Westminster Hospital in London, England. They took his body to the morgue. I got the phone call. My wife and I, we started praying, because we know where he’s going. We know exactly where he’s going. And we started praying, praying, praying. And after several hours of prayer, I got the call that he came back to life in the morgue.
SID: I wonder what they thought. Can you picture that scene? I mean, I can picture it.
NASIR: And they brought him back to the intensive care unit. And I flew to England, prayed and laid hands on him. And he came out of the coma, gave his life to Jesus, and described what he saw. Heaven is real, but Sid, Hell is real, too.
SID: What did he see?
NASIR: He saw himself looking down on his body and he saw the doctors trying to revive his heart, because his heart had stopped beating. Then he saw them give up and cover him with a sheet. He saw them looking down. They took his body into an elevator down to the basement, to the morgue. Then he found himself falling in a very dark place. And there were creatures there, ugly creatures. He was hard to describe because he was frightened with them. And then finally as he was falling in this dark hole, he looked up and he saw a crucifix. This is what he described to me. I said, “You saw Jesus on the cross.” He said, “No, no. I saw myself on the cross.” I said what? He said, “It was the most horrific thing I’d ever seen in my life. I don’t ever want to see that again.” I said, “You deserve to be on the cross because the wages of sin are death unless you accept that Jesus went to the cross for your sins.” And he gave his life to Christ.
SID: Now what did he think when he saw these creatures in this pit?
NASIR: He was petrified. He was absolutely petrified, terrified. He was full of fear. He didn’t even want to talk about it, Sid. When he talked about it, his eye just grew big and it was like, “I don’t want to talk about it. I don’t want to think about this.” Hell is real.
SID: Now I love the freshness you have when you teach about healing. Answer this question. I pray for many people. I put my hands on them. I feel the presence of God going out of me into them, and I say you are healed. And a few weeks later, they come back and they say, “I’m not healed.” What happened? It went into them. I know it went into them.
NASIR: There are several issues that could stop it. Number one, anointing can be on you and you can still stay sick if you don’t believe that the anointing is on you. Many times we pray for people in healing lines and they don’t fall down. Well they say, well I didn’t fall, so I didn’t get it, or I didn’t feel and I didn’t get it. There’s no record that anybody felt anything. Even the woman with the issue of blood only felt the blood dry up. It doesn’t say she felt the anointing. Jesus felt the anointing go out, but it doesn’t say she felt the anointing. So didn’t they feel anything? Or here’s the most common one. They came with the sickness and it was still on them when they left. And so they say, “I didn’t get.” No, no. Some people were healed instantly in the Bible. But some people were healed as they walked. Some people are healed within the hour. So there is progressive healings and there’s instant healings. Mine was instant. My wife took two years. It didn’t matter whether it was instant or progressive. She’s healed. And so you can have the healing anointing in you, which is what you did when you laid hands on them, and they didn’t acknowledge that the anointing was in them and they were being healed.
SID: You know, Nasir said something very important. It doesn’t matter whether you feel it or not. His brother saw Hell. He saw this pit, these horrible monsters, and he made Jesus his Messiah. If this Moslem with such a substantial background could believe in Jesus, you could do that right now. If you will believe that Jesus died for your sins, every bad thing you’ve ever done, he died for. And tell him you’re sorry for the bad things you’ve done. It’s washed away and you ask Jesus to come and live inside of you, and be Lord of your life. If you’ll do that now, you will know that you’re going to Heaven. You won’t hope. You won’t think. You will know. Knowing is much better than where you are.