Sid: I’m speaking to a friend of mine in Sherman Oaks, California Don Paul. He’s Prophetic Prayer Ministry for Hollywood and Don I want to take you back when you were a child. Is it true that you tried to walk on water?
Don: (Laughing) Well Sid I’ll tell you every since I was a little boy I always had a heart for the things of God and the different supernatural stories that I heard. And we had gone to church I think it was a Lutheran Church when I was a little boy and they always told us to be like Jesus. So I believed I went home and I tried to walk on my back swimming pool water several times and I kept thinking “I don’t have enough faith I don’t have enough faith.” And yes it is true (Laughing) that as a little boy I was trying to be like Jesus. Unfortunately I obviously did not walk on water.
Sid: But you were actually even as a young child you could see the hypocrisy and began really to get turned off from religion.
Don: Yeah I mean I had gone to Bible School I’m watching people and they say that they want to be like Jesus and they pray for people and nobody got healed and then they gossip behind each other’s back and argue fight. And I remember as a little boy I walked out of there and I just looked up to the heavens and said “God I believe You did all of those things but I don’t think these people at this church really know You and therefore if they don’t really know You then how are they going to teach me or help me to find You?” And I said “Therefore Your going to have to teach me or Your going to have to talk to me or communicate with me somehow because I really want to know You I’m not so interested in someone’s idea of religion or their idea of You.”
Sid: Now when you were 12 the devil tried to snuff you out what happened?
Don: Oh yeah that was funny I was out on a family outing and at that time we were up in Oregon and there was an island I think it was on the Willamette River and it was about a mile across the river was and I started playing on the downstream side of the island and there’s nobody around because I walked around the beach where there was nobody and I walked out on what’s called the sandbar and that’s really were the sands really built up and it’s really underneath the water but you can walk quite a way out. I kept walking out and it would go down and it would go up and go down and eventually it did go down and didn’t come up and I noticed the water got quite a big colder. When I didn’t turn around and tried to swim back toward the shore I was about a quarter mile downstream with the current taking me all the way to the way down which the closest was probably a half mile to either side of me. And I’m a little boy skin and bones I don’t flat very good and I started swimming upstream and continued trying to swimming upstream up to the island didn’t make any headway no matter how hard I swam nobody in sight, waves dept trying to knock me over and the last time I figured that was it I was exhausted I was probably going to down at that point. And I remember I prayed do you remember when Moses came to the children to Pharaoh and said “Hey let my people go or else this plague is going to happen. Well it’s kind of been my Moses I think we all go through it where we go “Oh God if You just get me out of this one if you just get rid of the flies I’ll follow you this time.” And sure enough I said “God if You just get me out of this one I’ll really be good this time and I’ll really get straight and I came up from underneath the water because I thought this was my last time up. And there was a man on the beach and he was out of nowhere with an air mattress. And I said “Hey can you help me I can’t get it and he immediately swam out and we held on to the air mattress and within seconds we were at the beach. Well what’s interesting I said “Thank you turned and walked and then I looked and I thought “Wait a second I’ve been trying to swim upstream for (Laughing) a half hour couldn’t do it and instantly when he came up and got me we swam upstream with no problem at all and I thought “That’s weird I turned around and looked and he had vanished.”
Sid: What do mean he had vanished?
Don: I’m telling you that if he would have run as fast as he could have anywhere to hide out of view he still didn’t have enough time because I needed to say goodbye and turned and turned again and he was completely gone.
Sid: Do you think he could have been an angel?
Don: Well I will tell you years later when I was getting very serious with God and get very close with God the Lord during a long fast revealed to me that that was an angel and I thought that was very special it really touched my heart.
Sid: You know Don I think many many servants of God that have been used by God there’s a similar pattern of the devil trying to snuff their life out at an early age and God sparing them. You move in the prophetic realm where you see things in the Spirit. What types of things do you see for it’s been for many years now?
Don: Sid can I would you hold that question for just a second?
Don: You just said something and I really felt stirred by the Spirit of God there are different…let me just shard this real quick about trying to be snuffed out. I really feel that this is for somebody out there. I was almost aborted as a child and that came very heavily against my mom to do that. My mom at the very last minute she was being counseled and so at the last minute she said “No” and she had me even though I did not have a father did not make sense she went ahead and had me and dedicated me to the Lord. This is very special because God’s touching somebody out there right now He’s touching somebody and saying if you will keep that child if you will child I will honor you and I will raise that child up and I will use that child significantly says the Spirit of the Lord. And I say that very powerfully because the devil is trying to kill the kids that God is bringing forth to really make a difference in this planet and this generation. And this is so important and I want to share one other thing rejection a lot of times if you have a prophetic ministry a prophets ministry you will go through a lot of rejection from the time you were a kid family parents everything. Part of it is a twofold thing l. it’s the call on your life and literally the devil hiding and people are constantly are attacking you. That’s one of the things but the other side of it God allows it because the prophet has to be tempered so that when God says to bring something forth he’s not going to be swayed by the kindness of men and things that he will actually be accountable to bring things that God wants. So I just want to share because I felt that there was some young people and they don’t really understand that and God understands God understands you. God loves you and God understands you and that’s the best relationship because when that relationship is in intact the whole world could change all perceptions can change because He is so high up that man cannot even understand. When you pray and you and God come into a place the whole territory can change the whole atmosphere at school can change. It has to do with the depth that you personally enter into God not the depth the power that everybody around you enters in but God is saying you…I’m talking to someone right now. God is saying you are significant you are very important to Me and I thank You Lord God for that power that goes forth disburses the darkness and the rebellion and the witchcraft from around that person in the name of Jesus Christ and I give You praise for that. I’m sorry Sid I felt that real stirred up.
Sid: Oh don’t be sorry you’re doing what should be natural on this show. And the person that you’re talking to I pray that the Spirit of God would witness to your spirit in a very significant way. You literally would feel a tangible presence of the Living God. Don Paul one of the gifts that God operates through you is through discernment. You literally can sense or see actually you see things in the spirit realm you see angels you see the demons you see what demons are controlling people. Tell me what you see.
Don: You know that’s so funny in the Bible because see God is the same yesterday, today and forever and unfortunately…well in the Bible one of the gifts of a prophet they call them a seer. Because God says “I never do anything but I first show my prophets.” Well that means they have to see it and unfortunately sometimes when we get into I’m not coming against religious systems at all because we need to teach God we need to teach the word. But as leaders as I’m speaking to leaders we need to not poo poo gifts in young people that we ourselves don’t have or don’t understand. And sometimes what can happen I can maybe a leader in a church and I can have young people under me and no they’re not ready to be released yet but sometimes they’ve got a call that I might not understand. And I myself Sid have to really recognize to not poo poo what God’s doing there God I’m not really quite receiving this but again it’s your kid so again let me add to what You’re doing and not hinder. Because if You’re raising somebody up powerfully more powerful than mine I want to add to that I don’t want to move in jealousness and crush under my level of revelation. And I have to be very very careful of that. Because one of the reasons God shows me stuff Sid is because I was so stinking stubborn and I wouldn’t believe the supernatural stuff. I was an intellect still am Computer Science you know Computer Design and Computer Sciences, film productions, music, songwriting, script writing, several inventions on the market. I mean I’m very intellectual and I had a real problem with stuff that I could not see. So at one point even when I got baptized some people might be familiar with the baptism of the Holy Spirit and one of the gifts is the gift of tongues. And I could remember after I got baptized and I got the gift of tongues I’m taking a shower one day and I’m saying to the Lord “God give me a break this tongue stuff is really uga buga I should have bought a Honda come on. Now look now I lay me down to sleep Cub Scout’s honor be a good little Christian.” I didn’t have any idea of the depth of the realm that I had just entered into. And what was happening I’m taking a shower and the Lord says nothing to me. I get out of the shower and all of a sudden I see standing right in front of me this very fat little ugly demon. And the Lord says to me “Don this is what you have living in your home in fact it’s been here for a long time.” He said “Now you can take a baseball bat to it if you want it’s going to go nowhere it’s a spirit. Now it is what is keeping you from praying and telling you these ideas to not pray in the Holy Ghost He said you can either let it live here or you can use the weapons I gave you.” And I looked at that thing and I went (Prayer language) get out of here in the name of Jesus and that demon left. I started praying after that and I’d say “In Jesus name heal them.” And I’d start praying in tongues and man my hand would heat up hot and they got healed they got healed of cancer they got healed of you know phenomena I mean I could just go through the list.
Sid: Why do demons hate praying in tongues so much?
Don: Ah because they don’t understand it and it’s the power of God. See here’s what and I don’t know if a lot of people understand it Paul said it very clearly. He said “When we pray in the Spirit God is making intercession through us.” And I finally figured out that maybe God knows a little bit more about the spirit realm and everything else than all of my computer sciences and my cunning invention intellect and I started yielding myself more to praying in the Holy Spirit.
Sid: Don we’re out of time we’ll pick up right here on tomorrows broadcast.
Sid: This week I’ve been talking about Shavuot say it with me “Shavuot.” That’s the God festival the Biblical festival and the Jewish festival for Pentecost. On Pentecost we Jewish people read from the book of Ruth. Now next is Shavuot so get ready for an outpouring.
In the book of Ruth the Talmud, the Jewish commentaries by the rabbis and Tractate Sanhedrin 93b says “That the descendants of Ruth will be mighty people on earth and one of the descendants from Ruth will be King Messiah.
Well guess who descended from Ruth? Jesus! Oh what a wonderful festival for Jewish people to see Jesus, God biblical and Jewish Christianity.
Well names in the Bible are very important. In the book of Ruth we have Naomi, and Elimelech who got married and Naomi means pleasantness, and Elimelech means God is King. These 2 left Bethlehem of Judea, now Bethlehem means house of bread, and Judea means praise or worship. So literally this man, whose name means God is King, walked away from the house of bread which I believe represents the word of God. From Judah which is praise and worship to God.
Every time a Jew leaves Israel according to Torah they go down and it’s for judgment. So they left, they left with their 2 sons, their sons were cursed from the very beginning of their life, Mahlon and Chilion. Mahlon means sickly, isn’t this amazing? See God knows everything before it happens. Mahlon means sickly, and Chilion means wasting away.
So their 2 sons went out of Israel went into the curse left the word of God, left the praise of God, and they married. Now these 2 sons Sickly and Wasting Away married Orpa. Now Orpa means double-minded and Ruth, now Ruth means something worth seeing or another definition of her name is a friend.
But you see how the destination was already setup. As you know Mahlon (sickly) and Chilion (wasting away) lived up to their names and they died. And Elimelech who left the word of God and praise he died. The only one left was Naomi and her 2 daughter-in-laws Orpa and Ruth.
Now Orpa (double-minded) and Ruth (who’s a friend)… Orpa this double-minded person had an opportunity to go back to the word of God and worship Bethlehem of Judea. Instead this double-minded woman rejected what God was doing and went back to her false and pagan god.
Ruth on the other hand, a true friend, she said to her mother-in-law Entreat me not to leave you or to turn back from following you. For wherever you go I will go, wherever you lodge I will lodge. Your people (the Jewish people) shall be my people. Your God (the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob) shall be my God. Where you die I will die and there will I be buried. The Lord do more so to me and more also if anything but death parts you from me.
Now another man is on the scene his name is Boaz and Boaz means strength he represents the kin redeemer. You know what when Ruth who stuck with Naomi and went back to Bethlehem (the house of bread) of Judea (worship). It says in Ruth the 2nd chapter the 11th verse Boaz said to Ruth: It has been fully reported to me all that you have done for your mother-in-law.
Did you know that God has every hair on your head numbered? God knows every persecution you’ve been through. God knows every sickness you’ve been through. God knows every test and temptation you’ve been through and how you stood up for the name, the name above every name.
Boaz said, who represents God in this story of Ruth, It has been fully reported to me. And when the Jew, Boaz, married the Gentile, Ruth, it resulted in good seed. It resulted in a child by the name of Obed. Do you know what Obed means? Worshipper a worshipper of God.
What God is doing right now is restoring Jews and Gentiles, Ruths and Boazs so that He can bear much fruit. It’s called restoring the tabernacle of David. In Amos the 9th chapter the 11th and 12th verse: On that day I will raise up the tabernacle of David which is falling down. I will repair its damage, I will raise up its rooms and rebuild as in the days of old that they may possess the remnant of Eden. All the Gentiles are called by My name.
You see when we reach out to the Jewish people we will reach all the Gentiles that are called by God’s name. It’s called the “Law of Evangelism” that’s why the devils is trying so hard to stop it.
In the 13th verse it says: Behold the days are coming says the Lord when the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him who sows seed. The mountain shall drip with sweet wine and all the hills shall flow with it. When will this happen? When will this outpouring of God’s harvest be? Well next week is a good time because it’s Pentecost the festival of harvest.
The 14th verse says: I will bring back the captives of My people Israel. They shall build the waste cities and inhabitant them. They shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them.
That’s when, when you Israel a modern day Jewish nation. When you see Israel the Jewish people coming back to the land of Israel there will be the greatest harvest the world has ever seen.
Speaking of harvest you can’t even understand the words of Jesus if you don’t understand the God festivals because what comes up after Pentecost? The festivals of Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, and Sukkot and John 4:30 was talking about this. You see Jesus said: Do not say there are still 4 months then comes the harvest. Meaning 4 months after Pentecost comes Sukkot the feast of tabernacles. Behold I say to you lift up your eyes look at the fields for they’re already white for harvest.
What about you? Look at the fields I’ve never seen such openness of people on the face of this earth. This is God’s moment in history for the outpouring of His Spirit. Are you going to be an Orpa, a double-minded person, or are you going to be a Ruth, pleasantness someone that’s good to look at by God? Well here’s the difference Ruth the Gentile hitched up with the Jew and said: Your people are my people. Your God is my God. They bore fruit, or are you going to be double-minded an Orpa. Are you a Ruth or are you an Orpa?
Jesus put it the same way in Matthew the 25th chapter He said that the last days would be a division of goat nations and sheep nations. The goats have a mind of their own they are double-minded, and the sheep follow the shepherd, the Ruths. What will be a single dividing line between the goats and the sheep nations? Jesus says: As you have done onto the least of these My brethren. Who’s He talking about? His brethren from the womb that’s what is says in the Greek in Matthew 25. As you have done onto the least of the physical Jews you have done unto Me. The dividing line of nations will be your attitude towards the Jew and Israel.
The stakes are high, the salvation of the world. Next week is Shavuot, Pentecost, revival that’s what it is harvest it’s revival. God wants you to be part of revival.
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be so intimate with God. There’s an outpouring coming it’s coming next week but it’s going to happen on this broadcast because God has got an appointment with you. Next week is a special God appointment it’s Shavuot, or Pentecost, and most of know the story of Pentecost we spoke about it yesterday. But we don’t know that it’s God’s appointed time according to scripture to meet with man, to have intimacy with man and God’s got a secret weapon.
Now next week is Pentecost. Those that are near the St. Simons Island, Georgia area on Saturday night 7pm June 2nd we are going to have a One New Man Pentecost celebration at Epworth By the Sea, the conference center on St. Simons Island. If you’re anywhere close come on by.
I’m believing that we’re going to see the fire and the glory of God but we’re going to see that fire and glory right on this broadcast because God’s got a secret weapon. Most of you don’t know who that secret weapon is but I got 3 letters from intercessors all in the same period of time.
Now I also got an email that states in Israel on March 22nd of this year it says, they call themselves the Great Ones of Israel and these are the Chasidic and the Orthodox Jewish leaders signed a proclamation claiming that we have started the times of Jacob’s trouble.
Now for those of you not familiar with Jacob’s trouble Jeremiah talks about it. It’s a time in history… here I have it in Jeremiah chapter 30 verses 6-7. Ask now and see whether a man is ever in labor with a child? So why do I see every man with his hands on his loins like a woman in labor and all faces turned pale? Alas for that day is great so that none is like it and it is the time of Jacob’s trouble. Then Jeremiah goes on in chapter 16 verse 14-16. I mean first he shows you a picture that I’ve just described of a man is just in so much agony it is almost like a woman giving birth to a child. This agony is called Jacob’s trouble it’s the worst time that has ever come on the face of this earth for Jewish people. And the orthodox rabbis in Israel on March 22nd of this year signed a proclamation claiming that we’ve actually started the time of Jacob’s trouble.
Then Jeremiah goes on in chapter 16 verse 14-16 is first he’s going to send for the fishermen, now Jesus redefined the definition of a fisherman. Those that fish for the souls of man, first the fishermen will go to the Jewish people and then right behind them will be the hunters. It’ll start in the former Soviet Union and rapidly spread throughout the whole earth.
If these orthodox rabbis, and I believe they have heard from God. I believe they have heard this is the time of Jacob’s trouble. But in this persecution will come the greatest supernatural deliverance of Jewish people and the greatest harvest, and that’s what we’re talking about this week because next week is Shavuot, Pentecost. That’s the festival of harvest the greatest harvest the world has ever seen.
Let me just read a few, 3 emails came within about a week period of time from intercessors. This one says:
As I read your prayer request for this month Sid I was taken immediately into intercessory prayer over your new book. God showed me that this book will open the eyes of many key people and will cause a whole new wave of evangelism to the Jewish people.
The book of course is called the “Last Lap” which it’s just going through the editing stage and as soon as it’s available will make it available to you.
Then another letter came in from an intercessor and listen to this, they said:
One man saw angels dipping arrows in oil, in the oil of God’s anointing and shooting them directly into the hearts of Jewish people across the world bringing revelation and massive awakening.
Then another intercessor sent me a Fax and she said:
Chasidics (those are the very orthodox Jews that dress in the black you know and have the little braids) Chasidics of the east coast of the United States are about to come in like Niagara Falls. Therefore prophesy to them to do so and have no fear the Holy One calls them now.
Then I just read to you from Joel the 2nd chapter, actually I read from Acts the 2nd chapter who was quoting Joel the 2nd chapter. It said That God will pour out His Spirit on the sons and the daughters, and the old men, and the young people of the Jewish people in the last days.
I believe that there’s going to such revelation that’s going to come back to the church by a restoration of the God festivals that these Chasidic Jews… I mean we’re getting reports in Israel that there are many orthodox Jews that are having supernatural visions and dreams. But this Shavuot, this Pentecost I believe God is going to be raising up His secret weapon these Chasidic Jews.
Have you ever heard Chasidic music? As I told you I just got back from Kiev, Ukraine and we had a big… and when I went there it was Purim and we had a Purim outreach. They were dancing and singing and so many people came to the Lord and so many people got physically healed. We’ve have some music from that celebration I’d like for you to hear it and ai yai yai yai…
Sid: Ai yai yai Melech haMashiach that means King Messiah. Can you picture when you’re conservative church is flooded with Chasidic Jews that have revelation knowledge from the God roots, the Biblical roots, the Jewish roots of the faith and they’re grafted back into the olive tree? Can you understand what Paul was saying that it’s literally going to cause life from the dead? I believe as a foretaste of what is coming and what is really happening right now according to the proclamation of the Chasidic and orthodox Jewish leaders in Israel. What is happening right now is a restoration of intimacy with God. “Oh God I’ve got to know you. God the toys they just don’t satisfy just plain religion it doesn’t satisfy. What use to satisfy doesn’t satisfy I need to see Your face, I need to touch You, I need to have intimacy with You.”
I believe that as we celebrate these Biblical festivals that they will be literally a catapult into the glory of God, a catapult into the intimacy with God, a catapult of causing Jewish people to be provoked to jealousy to want what we have. As these… I mean as one intercessor said “It’s like… I see it Sid it’s like Niagara Falls.”
So what would your church be like if a bunch of Chasidic rabbis came in and they were fanatics? See these Chasidic rabbis are fanatic for God but they have a knowledge of God but not according to Biblical knowledge it’s according to rabbinic knowledge and tradition.
Well once they radically saved they won’t want their tradition they will want just God, just the Bible. They are going to bring in a new understanding it’s almost going to be like the first church. I mean that’s the way the first church was it was all Jews and they didn’t get into this whole segmenting deal where “Well Sunday morning that’s for God, but the rest of the week it’s for me.”
No God is everything, God was everything, God was all in all it wasn’t this western understanding, and it wasn’t this Greco-Roman type of understanding of putting God in a box that is comfortable for you. It was you fitting into God’s plans, you being part of the body of Messiah. What a high calling.
Also during Pentecost we read from the book of Ruth. I don’t a better book of the Bible that will unloose an outpouring of God’s Spirit, that’s Pentecost that’s the outpouring of God’s Spirit. It’s supernatural joy it’s coming up next week. I want you to understand not just Pentecost I want you to understand all of the God festivals.
That’s why we’re making available this week a book by Rabbi Barney Kasdan called “God’s Appointed Times.” It’s a practical guide for understanding and celebrating the Biblical holidays.
Did you know Ruth was the great grandmother of King David who only was the one whose seed was the Messiah of Israel? Ruth a Gentile when she reached out to the Jewish people there was an explosion in the spirit when a Gentile combines with a Jew and becomes One New Man in Messiah Jesus. There is a literal explosion in the spirit can you see why the devil is trying so hard to separate Jews and Gentiles. Can you see why the devil causes Jewish people to think the most anti-Semitic people on the face of this earth like Christians? Can you see why Christians are getting so upset with Jewish people that don’t want manger scenes and come against many Christian festivals that impose themselves upon Jewish people? Now it’s all demonic but it’s to antagonize each group so that we will be separated so that there will not be One New Man, so that there will not be a revival. It’s a master strategy by the devil but God’s got a secret weapon. His secret weapon is the Chasidic Jews. When they flow in and Jewish people flow into the body..
Sid: Now have you felt that you’re almost in a twilight zone your kind of dissatisfied with what is and you know there’s something coming you don’t know what it is but your hungering for this next move of God’s Spirit. And you’ve just been kind of passive over this well I believe that the Spirit of the Living God has had you tune in this week because this is a week where Friday and Saturday is Shavuot Pentecost the outpouring of God’s Spirit and God wants a release of His Spirit beyond anything that you have ever had before and He has a biblical way to do it. I have on the telephone Dave Roberson he’s the Senior Pastor of the Family Prayer Center in Tulsa, Oklahoma. And a number of years ago when he was 30 years of age he had a vision that there was more and he literally took a job for God and his job was like most people would go to a factory with their lunch and they’d take their lunch hour excreta and that’s what he did. He put in 8 hours of praying in tongues a day for 3 months and he had such a life changing experience. Just too kind of whet the appetite of our listeners Dave you told me that recently you went to India tell me what happened.
Dave: Yes when I went over to India it was to do a crusade with a friend of mine who is an evangelist there. And his name is Brother Denacrene and so we had a half a million people at the crusade and when I got off the plane the first thing they did is they took me to speak to a 1000 preachers that was there. When I got through speaking on “How to Walk into God’s Power” deliberately on purpose just b3ecause you want to.” They got so excited that one of them come running to the front and through a boy up on the platform that was about 11 years old he was born blind. So I put my hands over his eyes and prayed and when I took them off he was looking back at me. God opened his eyes right there and they got so excited that a devil manifested in the crowd. And when I say that there was somebody there who didn’t know Him who didn’t know Jesus and they were was standing there a demon threw them down on the floor. And I jumped down in the crowd and run out and cast that devil out. They closed in around me and I couldn’t get out of the crowd and it was really something what happened that day.
And those preachers took that teaching and began to take there first step into His power then. But that night that night when I went out to do the crusade with my friend and this is the night in particular that I remember the most and I went out to minister and they introduced me and 13 seconds, 13 minutes they said it was I laid the love of Jesus out how He had suffered and died for them and the price that He had paid. And I can remember lasting 13 minutes and then the glory fell. Oh did it fall and He told me “I’m doing creative miracles, He said “I’m doing creative miracles so pray for their teeth.” And just in a mass prayer when that glory fell and I prayed for their teeth and when that was through another wave come through and the blind and lame and I can’t tell you how many blind and lame walked that night. But 5000 people approximate raised their hand that had had rotten cavities 5000 that received gold and silver fillings. And some of them had enamel restoration. And one thing that was so amazing to me was there was some twins that had the same rotten teeth and when they came up on the platform to testify God had filled exactly the same rotten teeth in the twins.
Dave: Great big gold overlay fillings, not to count the blind and the lame that walked.
Sid: Well did, were…what I want to hear is how many people were saved?
Dave: That’s just where I was going. When all of that glory was loose and the people see and walking and all of those testifying of their teeth then I said “How many wants to be saved how many?” And 200,000 200,000 mostly Hindu’s all raised their hand to give their life to Jesus that night 200,000 in one night.
Sid: Would that night have ever taken under your ministry if you did not pray in tongues often?
Dave: I don’t believe so Sid because this one thing I found out about praying in tongues and just this He cleared up for me this last few years. I can’t begin to tell you how blessed I am now in the realms of peace but He gave me the bottom line the bottom line of praying in tongues. He said “Son don’t you understand yet? He said to me one day “Son it’s a revelation gift, it’s a revelation gift.” That’s why when you begin to edify yourself it was the 8 operation all of the other 7 Apostle, Prophet, Teacher, Pastor, Evangelist, Government, and the Divers Tongues. The other 7 rested on the foundation of that gift and it’s the one we begin to speak in the moment your born again if you have the knowledge and it’s taught and you receive. But the moment you’re born again it’s the first operation that you can operate in. And after these years He said to me “Son don’t you understand what I gave you it’s a revelation gift it builds you up not only in the understanding of the mysteries of the word but the mysteries of the operations of the Holy Spirit.” The mystery of the understanding of the separation to the offices whether they be Apostle, prophet, teacher, evangelist the understanding of the operation of the gifts. Praying in tongues is a revelation gift and like any other form of prayer it’s designed by God to be answered. Only when it’s answered it comes back in the form of the understandings of the mystery of everything that Christ is in you to you and through you the hope of glory in your call in God’s plan for you and then the understanding of the operations of the Spirit.
Sid: Well what exactly in your opinion when the average person starts praying in tongues…
Sid: What’s going on in your opinion?
Dave: What’s going on is God the Holy Spirit who has been sent for them and to them begins to pray for them in this supernatural language. He can see and knows the plan of God for their life so He begins to pray for them in a realm that they don’t know yet, that they can’t understand yet and He begins to lay God’s plan out for them and begins of build them up in the understanding of the word to change them and to receive everything that God has for them in His plan. That’s called edification.
Sid: Why if that’s what occurs why is it that so many of our listeners were Baptized in the Holy Spirit some a year ago some 10 years some 20 some 30 years ago and pray in tongues every once in awhile but not anywhere close to the way that Paul prayed in tongues. He said “I pray without ceasing.” How come?
Dave: In discovering Sid that it was a revelation gift the devil is a master strategist see he’s an absolute military genius. And he talked about the plots, ploys and schemes of diabol diabol means penetration. See he’s a military genius and any military genius knows that the best way to win a war is to cut off you have got to cut off the supply line. So he knew the devil knew it through deception because he’s as wise as a serpent yet be harmless as a dove. And he knew that through deception he could cut the supply line off. If he could cut the revelation gift off of edification then he could keep us from receiving all that God has for us. So he’s came in systematically and methodically like a military genius and just attempted to take the understanding of it away from the church so he could cut the supply line off.
Sid: Why is it that at least half of the Christians in America say “God is finished with that particular gift that it died out with the Apostles?”
Dave: Once again when the church went into the dark ages Satan did the same thing he systematically methodically went in and tried to destroy that foundation. Because what could be more prevalent for a person than to have God the Holy Spirit perform one of the most perfect prayers there is that holds the sentences and the revelations and the mysteries of Christ in it then pass that language over to your spirit. For when I pray in unknown tongues my spirit prays and then have you pray it up before the Father in answered prayer. I mean He creates the prayer you pray it before the Father and the Father answers it. So he knew that if he could take it away from the early church what and he did and take it away from this church. That one of the best ways to discredit it was just to slip a doctrine in that it has passed away with the apostles that there’s no more use for it. But the problem is you can’t find that anywhere in the word.
Sid: Well some say where it says “Tongues will pass away” in Corinthians.
Dave: Yes but that’s not what that’s saying see what it’s saying there is the only thing that we have in this life that’s going to pass from this realm and into the next realm is love.
Sid: Now this Friday and Saturday are Shavuot that’s the Hebrew word for Pentecost. You remember the book of Acts the second chapter I mean what timing. Shavuot is when we’re told by the Rabbis the law was given on Mr. Sinai. And on that same date in the book of Acts the second chapter the Holy Spirit descended which allowed us to observe the law and in the power necessary to follow things like the Ten Commandments. And I can’t think a better guest I believe the Spirit of God arranged this my guest this week is Dave Roberson. He’s the Senior Pastor from the Family Prayer Center in Tulsa, Oklahoma and I’ve known Dave a number of years. And although I’ve heard his testimony I believe there’s a generation of you that have not. And he moves in a supernatural power of the Spirit of God like we’re all supposed to move like we read about in the Bible but unfortunately most believers are not moving there. And I believe that there’s a key that you’re going to begin to comprehend and understand that will be one of the very very sovereign points in your life that you’re going to look back and you’re going to say “That’s when I moved from where I was to that next point in God.”
Dave I want to take you back as a young man you came from a rough background, you got saved but by age 30 you were one of these very legalistic Christians and then all of a sudden you had a vision tell me about it.
Dave: Sid I’m just I’m so glad to be here with you again and when you said that it brought back memories. You know I can just feel the presence of God come on me but I was what we call ultra Holiness I was a…. We had a legalistic way of looking at things and really we loved God so much that if we thought He said “Take all of your jewelry off” we would take it off, “Dress a certain way” we’d dress a certain way we just loved Him. But at 30 years old the hunger on the inside of me was so strong that kind of thirsting that that just can’t be quenched by men and man’s doctrines and things. I was so so thirsty to know him after His power and since then oh I have found out that a person and I mean you can walk all the way into everything Jesus said you could be and out of everything He set you free from that walk of power. I have found out that you can walk all the way into Him on purpose just because you get up one day and decide I’m going to make this journey. It’s all there for you and you can have it and you can walk in His power. O that particular day I was so hungry I was just so hungry for His power to know Him after His power. And I woke up that morning thinking that I was going to see the bedroom as normal and it was an anointing that woke me up. And when this anointing woke me up I opened my eyes expecting to see the bedroom and instead I saw a vision. And in this vision I was setting in a crowd 3rd row back and the front person who was running the service and leading worship and I knew that it was my service and this was all the vision. And she says or he says “And now our evangelist” and he looks at me and I started to get up and then he turns and looks at the curtain and a young woman comes out from behind the curtain. There were several people there in a wheelchair and this young woman takes the services the power comes in so heavy you can cut it with a knife almost. And the people get out of a wheelchairs and everything takes place. And then she looks at me and the whole crowd disappears and she says “I don’t know why God has given this ministry to me I really didn’t know I was called and she said “One of you must have failed.” And the whole crowd had disappeared there was just me and her.” And that’s when I come out of the vision. And it was that day that I went down and gave a 2 week notice on my job. And then I went down to a little 8 x 8 prayer closet down at the church and I had decided that I was just going to stay in there and pray until I I didn’t know what to do and I didn’t even know what praying in tongues would do at that point. I just locked myself up in that 8 by 8 for about the same hours that I would have normally worked my job. Well it didn’t take me very long to run out of English and so I switched to praying in tongues not because I knew that it would do or I knew the edification process. Or that I knew what Jude 20 said when it said “We build our self up on our most holy God kind of faith.” I didn’t know that it would do all of that all I knew that I had walked myself up in this prayer closet an 8 x 8 room and I had so many hours ahead of me to go. So I only switched to praying in tongues not because I knew what it would do that supernatural language but just to survive the hours that I had committed to. And so about 6 weeks went by and oh the time was crawling by I mean I’d go in there and lock myself up and pray in English until I’d run out of English and then I’d have so many hours ahead of me. So I just switched to praying in tongues not because I even knew that I could anytime I wanted to I found that out later that I switched to praying in tongues just to survive those hours I had committed myself to. Well the hours just creped by I mean they went so slow and a woman found out what I was doing and she beat on the door and she said “Are you feeling any change?” And I said “As a matter of fact I am I’m getting my tongue is getting tired and dry.
Dave: And now she says “Do do you feel any Spiritual change?” And I really hadn’t at that point and so she said “Oh well I got to go.” Well I stayed in oh about 3 months in all and that same woman came back and she began to tell me about a time that a church was going to meet together on that weekend and this church did not believe in speaking with tongue and she asked me if I would like to come over and be part of that fellowship at this lay witness it was just layman?” And so to tell you the truth it seemed like a legal excuse of get out of my prayer closet and I would have taken any reason I said “Oh yes I’d love to go.” So I run home and changed real quick and I got there late because I got there late I didn’t know the woman they set me down next to came in on a crutch see I didn’t know that. See I was so hungry to know Him after His power that’s why I was locked up in the closet. They set me next to her we had a few minutes to fellowship they brought me coffee and I sat there drinking my coffee and we were talking and all of a sudden they said hey “The man if going to speak now.” And a man came up and he had kind of a little pulpit there so he got behind it and he was going to teach the lay witness that was in these peoples home. So I sat next to this woman so he began to teach and I wasn’t used to somebody teaching like him I was used to holiness preaching they shouted, jumped pews. This man began “And we know that Jesus is the great celestial go between the troubled waters of mankind that the only would have called.” And I’m going “Oh brother.” I was thinking “I wish I was in the prayer closet it was more exciting.”
Dave: (Laughing) and I was setting there and I had no idea what was about to happen no idea. And just out of boredom as I’m shaking my coffee and watching the little rings work its way to the side. I turned around and looked the woman next to me and suddenly I had no idea what was going to happen. Suddenly it was like a transparency an x-ray was put up between me and her and I’d seen a hip socket. And it’s the funniest thing I could see through this vision and I could see her but I could see the hip socket. At that time I didn’t know that vision materialized in my spirit. But it was suspended there between me and her and it was so vivid that I turned around to see if anybody else could see it. And I looked at it and I sais “My God what do you want me to do?” And it was absolute silence like “If you don’t know.” And finally I leaned over the woman and I said “Is there something wrong with your hip?” And the word arthritis dropped into my spirit and so I said “It’s arthritis” because in the vision it was a dark socket and it was deteriorated. And she said “Young man that’s what the doctor tells me” and I yelled “Glory to God.” And she said “I beg your pardon?” I says oh oh God’s going to heal you I know He’s going to heal you can I pray for you?” And to her and her religion prayer meant sometime in the course of my day to bow my head and remember her.
Sid: Dave because we’re running out of time…
Sid: What happened?
Dave: Well I jumped around in front of her because she said “Yes you can pray for me.” I jumped around in front of her I grabbed her by the leg and held them up and one was 3 or 4 inches shorter than the other. And I said “The name of Jesus” and that leg cracked and popped and came out! She got up and walked just as normal and Sid I wept like a baby because I just dreamed of things like that and now it was coming to pass. And He said to me a little bit later on He said “Son it’s because you have discovered a process of edification from praying in tongues.”
Sid: You know Dave that there are people that their lives are going to be changed.