SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. As a young Jewish believer in the Messiah, I came to know a woman that walked in one of the greatest miracle ministries I ever saw. Her name, Kathryn Kuhlman and she used to say, “Please don’t grieve the Holy Spirit. He’s all that I have.” My next guest started a genuine friendship with the Holy Spirit at 13. He’s 27 now and he says the most important thing of the hour is for you to have a friendship with the Spirit of the Living God and he would like to help you develop this. I want this. Do you? Now I’ve been really looking forward to interviewing my guest David Hernandez because of the relationship he has with the Holy Spirit and everyone is supposed to have this type of a relationship. But your family was sabotaged generations ago with the occult and how did they get free?
DAVID: Well they got free when my grandparents were filled with the Holy Spirit. And my grandparents actually attended a church that looked down upon people who had the infilling of the Holy Spirit. So they get kicked out of their church and they go find a church plant locally that was actually enabling them to move in those gifts, but it was since that moment that they were filled with the Holy Spirit that the things that the enemy had tried to do, because you know, even if you break something he tries to get back in. The scripture talks about how demons return. And so in my family those things that tried to come back in even all the way down to me, on the other flip side of that is when my family is filled with the Holy Spirit, as is true of any believer, we experienced the supernatural in our lives.
SID: And at 11, you got born again and you had an encounter in which the Lord showed you your future. Tell me about that.
DAVID: Well when I was 11 years old, that’s when I gave my heart to Jesus and when I say I gave it to him, I truly do mean that I understood the ramifications of that commitment and whole heartedly I said, “Lord, I am in and I just want you.” And when I did that the Lord showed me that he would use me in ministry he showed me not just the ministry, the type of ministry I would be in, but the Lord also showed me which, funny enough, the administrative, the back end, the different steps it would take logistically and practically, and that happened after I prayed, Lord, I read it in James here, where it says, “If any of you lack wisdom.” I was 11, so I needed some wisdom if I was going to do anything.
SID: Well as a 75-year-old, I know I need some wisdom.
DAVID: So at 11 years old, I said, “Lord, I’m going to stand on this with childlike faith.” I said, “Lord, I believe that I can have that.” And it was almost like I just knew the information, just a download. And even to this day, now I’m 27, been in the ministry officially since 13, but even to this day we’re still living out that plan that I received when I was 11. So I said, “Okay Lord, after these next couple of steps you’re going to have to show me another download because we need to know the next step of the way.
SID: Well you know, at age 13, he starts preaching the Gospel. He has such a close intimacy with God, such a close intimacy with the Spirit of the Living God. But then panic set in. Guess what happened? All of a sudden that presence lifted. What did you think?
DAVID: At first I thought, Lord, did I do something to offend you? Did I say something? Was I preaching something that wasn’t necessarily scriptural? And so as you can imagine, I became very fearful. I started panicking, like you said. I said, “Lord, I was enjoying just this beautiful fellowship with you.” And I felt there was this flow spiritually and something just blocked it and disrupted that flow.” And so I said, “Lord, I have to understand what’s happening here.” And so I just pressed in further and I determined within me and I said, “There’s got to be more.” Because I know that I’ve walked with Jesus, but I feel as though I’m missing something. And I’m looking back now. The Lord had withdrawn not because of anything that I had done, and when I say he withdrew, he didn’t do so literally, he did so in relation to my emotions. I learned that when God seemingly withdraws he’s not doing it to push you away. He’s doing it to draw you closer.
SID: Now did you literally lock yourself in the room and say, “God, if you don’t come here I’m not going out.” Did you really?
DAVID: I went in and I made that ultimatum and I said “Lord, until I receive something fresh from Heaven, I’m not leaving here. You need to touch me.” And so I remember [being] on, my face was pressed into the carpet, the carpet became tear-drenched. I was praying with so much passion that I remember even tensing my whole body and everything in me just hungered for the presence of Jesus. And I said, “Lord, I can’t leave this place until you touch me. I’m not leaving this place until something from Heaven comes in here.” And I remember I was just praying for several hours, about four hours in that moment, and then something amazing happened. And what had happened in that moment was looking back now what is called the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I didn’t speak in tongues at that point, but I received what I call a flood from within. You see, at salvation you receive the Holy Spirit, but at baptism you release him. You receive him into the rest of your being. Jesus said, “Out of your belly shall flow rivers of living water.” So the scripture talks about that river being deep within. That flood touches from the spirit and it goes from the inside out so that the baptism of the Holy Spirit, you can receive him, even though, people ask, well I already have the Holy Spirit. How do I receive him a second time? You received him in your spirit the first time when you got saved, but he overflows the rest of your being at baptism. They say, Lord, I want more of your presence. That’s not the point. The point of baptism is not you getting more of God, it’s him getting more of you. And when he is released from deep within he begins to overflow and that’s what happened to me. I felt just this, I felt like I was living in a little piece of Heaven on Earth in my room. The ordinary plain surroundings of my room changed dramatically, not visually, but the sense of his presence was so strong I remember I felt like this heat descend on my body, like currents of electricity moving up and down. I’m crying, I’m praying, I’m worshiping, and I close my eyes. My eyes were closed at that time and I said, I remember Jesus had become so real, the Holy Spirit had revealed him with such intensity that I felt if I move my hand I might feel it brush up against his robe. I was frozen. I didn’t want to move because I didn’t want to disrupt what was happening and that real experience was the well I still draw from today.
SID: But that sparked you to even more passionately have intimacy with God. You would spend hours and hours seeking God. Tell me about that.
DAVID: Well I mean, even seeking out mentors and even seeking, I would go to the conferences, I would read the books and I would spend my time in prayer, spend my time in the Word, so much so that when I would read the Word my Bible started falling apart. I heard this old quote that says, “A Bible that’s falling apart usually belongs to a believer who isn’t.” And so I’m looking at this and I remember just reading it, and when I read it I wasn’t, I’m younger, so it wasn’t in my mind I want to preach a sermon or I want to get a revelation. It was simply, Jesus, I want to see another facet of who you are. And seeking the Word who is Jesus, as I read it from Scripture, the Holy Spirit would take that Word and bring it to life. And I sensed the drawing, I sensed the closeness. The more time I spent, the scripture describes that “we’re changed as we behold him.” You know, there’s not too much work to it, but we do work toward holiness and we do enact disciplines that cause us to walk the way God wants us to walk. The truth is that there’s not much you can do to transform yourself. But it was in the presence of Jesus that I received the transformation. Acts, Chapter 4 talks about how the Pharisees and the Sadducees knew the disciples had been with Jesus because of the time they spent with him. And so the presence of God will transform you. And as you spend time looking and gazing into the lovely countenance of Christ, the majestic, beautiful countenance of the Son of the Living God, you’re looking in the scripture and you’re being transformed as you’re looking into the Word. You’re being changed into his image. You’re becoming more like Jesus. For every moment you spend in his presence, you’re becoming more like him. You’re being transformed to be more like Jesus.
SID: Now speaking about being more like him, he starts going to school and this fountain of God’s presence starts coming out of him on all of the students. When we come back I want to find out what happened at school.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. I’ve heard a lot of things, but this is absolutely ridiculous. Have any of you heard of Randy Clark? I mean, he is probably the top healing evangelist word of knowledge guy in the country. Well my guest has a gift from God to increase your ability in hearing God’s voice. He prayed for Randy Clark and immediately his hearing of God’s voice just skyrocketed. Anyone want your hearing of God’s voice? Me, too. This is so wonderful. You know, Shawn, your parents get saved, I mean, radically saved. An angel comes and visits him. I mean, that’s radical.
SHAWN: It’s crazy.
SID: And then you as a young kid, three, four years of age, you’re in a home group type thing. They get into an amazing home group with John Wimber. I guess they were in his first group.
SHAWN: His very first home group.
SID: But then they had something that they had no paradigm for: you. You, you get saved at what, three or four?
SHAWN: Around four years old.
SID: But not just saved. He begins to speak in tongues of the Holy Spirit. The problem is, his parents had no paradigm. A kid can’t do that. So what happened?
SHAWN: They asked their friends. They’re like, “Do you think this is God? We don’t want to tell him to stop, but he keeps praying in tongues.” And so she asked her friend and she goes, “I just wouldn’t stop him. I’d keep my hands off it and if it’s not God it will go away. If it is God, it’s going to increase.” And it just kept going from there.
SID: And at age six you have your first word of knowledge. How does a six-year-old even know what to do?
SHAWN: I know. Back then, it’s really interesting because we weren’t in an environment where other people were teaching their families about hearing God. And my parents said, we want our kids to go on the journey with us. And so they would ask us when we’d be praying, are you getting anything, and most of the time we’d say no. But that particular time we were praying for a lady’s back and I started, we were praying for a lady and I started to get a word of knowledge about her back, and I could see in my mind’s eye, in my imagination, I could see her back had been injured, and I could see this whole word of knowledge about her back, and I said:
Child: Do you have a back injury?
Child: Can I pray for you.
SHAWN: I touched her exactly where the injury was and we ended up praying, and she gets radically healed. I just remember thinking, yes, God can do anything, me being six. And my parents were like, it’s odd, we’re going to do this with our kids. We’re going to bring them with us.
SID: You know, what happened with you, can you imagine if a generation would start getting their kids saved and filled with the Holy Spirit at four or five, six.
SID: I mean, you’ve lived a lifetime already as a believer, whereas most people are just starting at your age.
SHAWN: Absolutely. I think of Jesus at 12. It was the most significant age of his life because it’s an identity age. What would it be like if we a whole army of 12-year-olds who were like activated in the Spirit.
SID: I’ll tell you what, I have faith for America. I have faith for any country in the world that that happens to us, a revelation.
SID: But tell me about a defining moment in your life. You were dying.
SHAWN: I had a parasite from the jungles of Ecuador. They had never seen it in America before. They gave me all the best medicine for the parasite. It wouldn’t die. And so finally they gave me an experimental, and I won’t say which hospital, but they gave me experimental chemo because you’re dying anyway, we’re going to use chemo and a pill. But I thought if I get healed I believe I’m going to go in the entertainment industry and do ministry on the side. I remember one day I woke up, it was January 1, 2001, and I heard God audibly speak, “I am welcoming you back to ministry.” Because I had taken a year off on this health sabbatical. “Welcome back to ministry.” And I thought, ministry, wow, like wait, does that mean you’re going to heal me? Because I wasn’t healed immediately, and actually it was six weeks later I was prayed for by a woman from, I’m sure you’re familiar with the Spokane Healing Rooms, the healing rooms movement. A woman from the Healing Rooms came to my parents’ home group and went over to their home group and she prayed for me, was completely radically healed. Doctors proved, before and after, the parasite was dead.
Man 1: It’s a miracle. There’s no sign of the parasite. You’ve been healed.
Man 2: Thank you, Jesus.
SID: Or you can say the hand of God. But then you had another supernatural event where you had a heavenly visitation. Tell me about that.
SHAWN: So shortly after that [I] was really praying and saying, “God, we need to see Heaven come to Earth. We need to see what you, the atmosphere around you, your love come to Earth and I feel so disconnected from that.” Bill Johnson, pastor, I know many people have heard of him, I hadn’t read his book yet, but I had the same thing with how do we bring Heaven, how can we get this. And I just began to study people throughout history who had heavenly encounters or who had kingdom encounters with Jesus and intimacy. And one day I was invited to go to a conference in Branson, Missouri and I was going down the [unintelligible] Davis, Bobby Conner, James, Jim Bakker, several other people. I think Bishop Bill Hammond was there and I was going down to meet them. And on the way down I was leaving the House of Prayer in Kansas City, where I lived at the time, going down. So I left a group of believers, got gas and then teleported or transported all the way down to Branson in two and a half minutes.
SID: Two and a half minutes?
SHAWN: Two and a half minutes. I had a group of believers.
SID: How many miles was that?
SHAWN: Somewhere around three and half, four hours, I can’t tell you how many miles.
SID: That’s my way to travel, three and a half, four hours.
SHAWN: It’s happened many times, thank you, Jesus. It happened once, do it again. But during that time I had a series of heavenly encounters that lasted in my mind like around an eight-hour period, but it had only been two and a half minutes. And in these encounters many things were shown to me, but I couldn’t remember them all when I came back to the earth. As a matter of fact, when I landed, most of it was removed from my mental memory, but I had walked into situations where I went, oh, this is where God put in me then and I’m ready for it, almost like what the secular would call a déjà vu experience. I’m having a heavenly God encounter where I remember being in that moment prophetically from when I was in Heaven.
SID: Okay. Your gift is setting so many people free. When we come back I want to hear about the prostitute that he had a word of knowledge for that totally changed her life. We’ll be right back.
SID: You know, here in America, if someone becomes a believer and they go into a good church, Art, the pastor will usually say, “Sit, sit,” year after year, after year. Is that really necessary?
ART: Hopefully, that’s not happening anywhere, but I know it does, but not necessary at all, no. Jesus was sending people out even before they were ready. Luke, Chapter 9, he sends out his 12, and before the chapter is even over, they’re arguing who’s the greatest. They’re proud of themselves for shutting someone else down and he’s like, no, whoever is not against is for us. They even wanted to call down fire on a Samaritan village that didn’t receive him. Like that’s murder, that’s wrong. But he, you would think he’s going to think—
SID: They should have been sitting for the next 20 years in the church.
ART: I know. But the next thing he does, Luke, chapter 10, he sends out 72 more. And in Luke, chapter 11, one of them asks, “Lord, teach us to pray.” You know, they’re not even confident in their prayer lives yet. So I tell people, don’t wait until you’re perfect to do the commission or you’ll never do it. Do the commission. Jesus will perfect you along the way.
SID: Okay. Kenya, 300 children. Tell me.
ART: Yeah. I was invited to this school.
SID: Were these kids perfect?
ART: No, they weren’t perfect. In fact, it was probably a good number of them were maybe Muslim. You know, this is a part of Kenya where that happens a lot. And so there’s 300 of them. I was invited to speak in this school. They were probably about third or fourth grade in American age group and I preached to them about Jesus. And at the end, I told them about people who I had seen in Uganda who were thrown out of their families for choosing to follow Jesus. I said, “I can’t promise you that if you choose to follow him that your whole life is going to be wonderful, but I can promise you that it’s worth it.” And I said, “If you want to receive this Jesus knowing what it could cost you, I want you to stand up now.” And as far as I could tell, all 300 of them stood up, and they walked through a prayer of salvation in their own language. And then I said, “You know Jesus says these signs will accompany those who believe. How would you like to see what Jesus can do through you now that you believe?” And I taught them very briefly about healing, three minutes maybe. And I said, “If you’ve got eye problems, ear problems, pain in your body, sickness, disease,” and I made the mistake of saying, “a bump, a scrape or a bruise,” because every kid stood up. Right? So I paired them off. I said, “Alright, just lay hands on each other and say, ‘Be healed in Jesus’ name’, we’ll see what happens.” They do it and some of them, I’ve got it on video, some of them are goofing off, some of them are taking it seriously. But it’s not these signs who will accompany those who believe if they don’t goof off, right, or if they’re old enough, or anything like that. At the end, I calmed them down. I said, “Now test it out. If you know you’re healed, pain is gone, you can see, you know, your skin is healed over, whatever it is, I want you to sit down. The rest of you stay standing. We’ll minister again.” Half the group sat down.
ART: And so they did it again. Half of that group sat down. Did it again. The rest sat down except one boy in the front row. And when I watched the video later, no one prayed for him a second or third time. So I said, “You, what’s your problem?” He said, “My eyes. I can’t read.” I put my hands on his eyes, “Eyes open in Jesus’ name”, opened the Bible. He smiled and started reading. Three hundred kids, all of them saved, all of them minister healing, five minutes later, I only touched one of them, so it’s not my fault. Jesus did the work.
SID: Okay. Jesus is doing the work right now. I want you to know this. Anyone with a wrist problem, if you’ll just move your wrist, if you have a problem with your hip, just stand up and walk a little bit. You’ll see you don’t have a problem with your hip. Art, would you pray.
ART: Absolutely. Jesus, I thank you for those watching this right now and I know that you have even touched some already as we were talking. And so right now, I just speak to everyone who’s there watching start to move something you couldn’t move before. Try to do something you couldn’t do. I think you’re healed already. But if you’re not, in Jesus’ name, right now I speak complete wholeness to your body. I’m specifically feeling right here just under my right shoulder blade, somebody’s got something going on there, maybe a rotator cuff going on. So just move your arm around, be completely healed in Jesus’ name.
SID: And you know what? I am hearing that someone’s elbow, I don’t know, it doesn’t matter what’s the matter. But if you’ll do what Art said, if you’ll start moving it, the pain will just vanish. You’ll see. I also believe that God is doing healing in teeth. I saw a gold tooth, someone is getting a gold tooth. One nugget that is going to really stick with us, tell me.
ART: Yeah. I would say minister with the authority that Jesus has given you. Don’t ask God to do something he told you to do. Most of the time, my whole life not seeing results, I was asking God to heal the person in front of me, when in Matthew 10:8, Jesus commanded his 12, “You heal the sick.” Everything he says is an invitation to partner with him and let him move through you to do what he’s commissioned you to do.
SID: Are you ready? I can tell you this. I want you to become like a little child. I want you to forget what lies behind and press forward to the high calling God has on your life. It’s not an accident you’ve been called to the Kingdom for such a time as this and it’s time for you to start laying hands on the sick and seeing them recover.
Sid: I’ve been talking about the healing scriptures I call it the Healing Scriptures Experience Package. This was put together for me personally and then it was so beneficial I decided I wanted you to take advantage, and so is what I’m teaching on. I am teaching on after the past 40 years what where the 10 best ways I have heard to help people manifest their healing or pray for other people.
So I’m at point number 3 now “Practicing the Presence of God.” You have to talk about Brother Lawrence. Did you ever read that little booklet of his? He was a monk; you know what his job was at the monastery? Washing dishes. Do you know he was so joyful he loved cleaning and washing dishes, or doing anything. He was so fascinated with the presence of God. Guess what he was so fascinated that God was fascinated with him, and God was fascinated with him that God’s presence was all over him. People of high authority would come from the 4 corners of the area that he lived in just to be in his presence because… You know what? He didn’t have anything that you can’t have as a believer in the Messiah; that I can’t have as a believer in the Messiah.
Psalm 16:8 tells us about David, King David, he had this. Listen to what David wrote I mean I could ponder on this this whole session, then I may not get through all 10 points. It’s Psalm 16:8 in the Amplified and this is what David said I believe its instructions for us “I have set the Lord continually before me.” Now he didn’t say the Lord is continually before me, he said “I have set the Lord.” I can imagine he’s almost… “God I can’t see You but I am acknowledging You are right here at my side. I have set the Lord, not when I think about it, I have set the Lord continually before me.” You get it? Be so conscious of God that He is continually before me but when David said “I’ve set Him there” that means “I’m aware that He is continually before me. Because He is at my right hand (this is David speaking), I shall not be moved,” and that makes sense; if God is for you who can be against you.
Now in this presence of God in practicing the presence of God is a word called fellowship. I found this word in a very strange place. In the Hebrew in Isaiah 53:5, you’re familiar with it “By His stripes we are healed.” If you look up the word stripes in the Hebrew, do you know what one of the meanings of the word stripes is? Fellowship, “By His fellowship we are healed.”
You see how important… when you’re in His presence all things are possible. Your objective is to be more cognoscente that you are continuously in His presence. He is continuously at your right you are never alone “I will never leave you nor forsake you.” Are you beginning to get it? The light bulb going on?
Here’s your job description, I’m talking to myself every time I talk to you. You know what I’m doing? I got one finger pointing at you, one finger pointing at God, and 3 fingers pointing at myself when I do this. Here’s our job description, I want you to get so close to God that you will be enveloped in His glory and come to the point of coming to your senses. There is nothing this world offers that’ll trump being in God’s presence. Basking in His glory there’s no sporting event, no sexual event, no power event, nothing this world has to offer compared to being literally a cylinder of God’s light. That’s my goal I want that to be your goal also.
The 4th key I want you to meditate on the covenant promises of God. These are covenant promises this is God standing behind the word. Joshua 1:8 the Amplified says “This book of the law shall not depart out of your mouth.” Very important let it not… let not the opposite come out of your mouth. This law, the word law in the Hebrew has a little better meaning than the word law in the English, it’s instructions. “Let this book of instructions not depart out of your mouth but you shall meditate on it day and night that you may observe to do according to all that is written in it. For then you shall make your way prosperous, and then you shall deal wisely and then you shall have good success.” The Hebrew word meditate is different than what most people think. The word meditate in Hebrew is mumble or mutter God’s word out loud. That’s why I love the Healing Scriptures Book. That’s what you’re doing you’re personalizing it, this is the best way I know to meditate, your personalizing it, you’re saying it out loud, you’re saying the best translation from the viewpoint of getting your healing.
So Romans 10:17 says “Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.” Faith comes from hearing and hearing, that’s why we have this CD here so you can hear and hear in the same order, the same translation, the same personalization with that beautiful anointed violin behind you.
You believe by meditating before you pray. You see you don’t get something by meditating you meditate till you believe it. It’s sort of like… well 2nd… not like it is, 2nd Corinthians chapter 4 verse 13 says “I believed (I believed first) therefore (Why therefore? It’s therefore because I believed) I believed therefore I spoke.” It’s like having an apple and cutting the apple in half. Here’s the 2 halves of the apple in the Amplified Mark 11:23 “Whoever says to this mountain ‘Be lifted up and thrown into the sea’ and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will take place it will done for him.” So what are the 2 halves of the apple? One to say it, saying it isn’t enough that’s the first step. Meditating isn’t enough that’s the first step. But by saying or meditating you believe in your heart. So you first meditate to believe and then you speak the prayer. Now you have the 2 halves of the apple together, Mark 11:23 I just read.
Now have you ever heard this because it’s the truth? If you tell a lie long enough the mind is so… they used to think the mind didn’t change, they’re wrong. The latest scientific data disproves this, our mind can change. You see what you do is you form neural passageways in your mind. So if you believe a lie as a child and say it long enough you believe that’s you. Let’s suppose someone says “Oh you’re very,” you’re a male, “Oh you’re very femin,” you’re a feminit. Well you believe that lie, you believe it long enough and say it long enough a neural passageway, your brain changes. You have a neural passageway that says you’re a homosexual. Well what they’ve found is you can build new neural passageways the same way you did the first time with the lie, you take the truth. Now what is the highest truth in the world? The word of God “God You’re so brilliant.” You see what you’re doing, you’re farming new neural passageways where you believe with all of your heart, but the first step is to meditate to form those new neural passageways.
The book of Hebrews talks about the word of God. Hebrews 4:12 “The word of God is living.” Do you know the word of God is alive?
I went to a place called the CIA, you’ve all heard of the CIA, Culinary Institute of America (laughing). I knew I’d get you, but I really went there and there really is a place where they teach you to be chefs etcetera a regular college. I heard something, and I guess it’s because I don’t cook much. I heard something I never knew before. You know what leaven or yeast is and the Bible has a lot to say about leaven or yeast. I didn’t know this but yeast is alive, it’s a living organism. That’s why Jesus said His word is like leaven, or His word is like yeast. It’s alive and it’ll permeate the entire loaf and in the natural that’s what’s happened, and in the supernatural that’s what’s happening to you. It’s permeating your whole body it’s alive. The word of God is living – Hebrews 4:12.
Luke 13 verse 20 and 21 Jesus said “To what shall I liken the kingdom of God? It is like leaven or yeast which a woman took and hid in 3 measures a meal till it was all leavened.”
Let me give you the best example I know of this. As you know I come from an Orthodox Jewish background. The rabbis are very unhappy when I say both my mother and my father were Jewish, I say were because they are in heaven right now. So my mother to protect me after I became an outspoken believer in Jesus, and had a bad relationship with my dad over that for obvious reasons. I would go around when I would speak for groups and I would say “Pray for father I believe he’s going to be a believer.” I don’t know how it happened but then I started saying “My father will be a believer.” I so believed that one day I said it my mother before he was a believer. I said “Dad is going to be a believer.” My mother said “No don’t say that!” She was saying that to protect me she was good Jewish mother she knew he’d never be a believer, but it was too late I already had that engrained in my head I had a neural passageway and in my heart. I knew he would be a believer and guess what? On his deathbed he said with his own mouth “I make Jesus my Messiah and Lord.” He would have never said that if that leaven hadn’t go the word of God, the living word, the yeast hadn’t gone through every fiber of my being. You could not talk me out of the fact that my father was going to be a believer. You can’t talk me out of the fact that every man is a liar and God’s word is true.
I’m telling you people are being healed right now there are blockages in your breathing, you’re being healed now. Backs are being healed, spines, necks. I’m telling you almost every pain you have in your body, every pain you have in your body anything you need it’s yours right now.
Didn’t I tell you this was going to be the best shoot ever (laughing)?
Okay the 5th, oi vey I don’t know how I’m going to do this I’ve got 10 of them for you and I could have even kept going. Would you like to know the secret to Billy Graham’s success? I mean you go anywhere in the world and you know you say evangelist they say Billy Graham. Well I found the secret because I live in Charlotte, North Carolina and I went to the Billy Graham Museum and I saw the secret there. The secret, and let me… in his own words. Billy said I quote “I had some young theologian friends who were expressing their doubts about the authority of the Bible. I began wondering if the Bible could be trusted completely. I began to study the subject intensely. I walked out in the moonlight, my heart heavy I was so burdened I dropped to my knees and opened my Bible on a tree stump. If the issue were not settled soon I knew I could not go on. ‘This is Billy Graham speaking Oh God’ I prayed, ‘there are many things in this book I do not understand but God I’m going to accept this book as your word by faith. I’m going to allow my faith to go beyond my intellect and believe that this is your inspired word.’ From that moment on I have never doubted God’s word. When I quote the Bible I believer I’m quoting the very word of God and there’s an extra power in it.” Another man said it this way “God said it, I believe it, that settles it.”
You know what when Billy Graham pulled that switch, that’s what he did, he said “I’m going to believe God’s word no matter… I remember the day I pulled that switch. Brand new believer, I was just rescued from the New Age, I just was rescued by an encounter with Jesus, I went walking in the woods one in a park and the church had a bizarre, a book bizarre. They had a bunch of books piled up and so I went to the book table and thought “Maybe I’ll find something good.” I pull a book from the very bottom “100 Reasons Why Jesus is Not the Messiah.” It was too late I already knew He was the Messiah I just tossed it.
When Billy Graham pulled that switch let every man be a liar but God’s word is true. I want you to pull that switch right now. Let every man be a liar but God’s word is true.
SID: You know, here in the West, we don’t understand an Eastern covenant. Why is it we’re so ignorant on eastern covenants?
CRAIG: You know, Sid, people in the east understand covenant in a totally different way than most of us that live in a western nation. And the reason that is, is they, it’s been in a culture and experience. Here’s what a covenant is. A covenant is the most solemn agreement known to man only broken by death. Death is the only thing that breaks a covenant. So in an eastern thinker’s mind, if I give you my word in covenant, there is a 100 percent chance that I will fulfill it, because I would rather die than break my word. In the West, that concept of covenant has been exchanged for a totally different concept of contract. Now sometimes we use the word “covenant”, but what we actually mean is a bilateral, totally conditional contract, meaning a contract is this. If you give me your word and I give you my word, it’s totally dependent upon the performance of each person. If you do what you said, I will do what I said. But if you break your word and you don’t do what you said or you’re unfaithful to me, or you betray me, or you hurt me, or you turn against me, or you cheat me, I’m totally justified to terminate relationship with you and get rid of you. I don’t have to relate to you anymore. Or if I agree to sell you something, if you don’t give me the money, I don’t have to give you the thing. That’s a contract. A covenant, on the other hand, the best word, and we see this word used all the time in the Bible, is “promise”. If I make you a promise and I say, “Sid, I will do this for you” or “I will give you this”, that is not dependent on anything you do or do not do. That’s 100 percent dependent on my integrity to keep my word, and that’s what a covenant is.
SID: Okay. I understand what you’re saying right now about covenant.
SID: But what about someone, because it’s all dependent on God, not dependent on our works, etc.
SID: What about someone that is living in unrepentant sin? Is God obligated to honor his covenant?
CRAIG: So here’s what we find. God will always be toward you. God will never turn his back on you. He said in Hebrews 13:5, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.” That’s what Jesus said. So he’s always faced toward you. But then we read in Hebrews, Chapter 10, Verse 26, it says there, “If you continue sinning willfully,” in other words, you just willfully sin and sin, and sin, and sin, what you have actually done is you died spiritually. You kill the seed of the spirit of God in your own spirit, and it uses some very strong language. It says, “When you do that, what you actually do is trample underfoot the Son of God, defile the blood by which you were sanctified and insult the spirit of” what? The spirit of grace.
SID: That’s pretty interesting.
SID: The spirit of grace when you willfully continue sinning. What about that threshold where someone—explain that.
CRAIG: That is such a powerful concept. In the East, there is a very powerful concept that when a man invites another man to come into his home as a guest, he pours out blood right at the door, at the threshold.
SID: That’s really what happened at Passover.
CRAIG: That’s exactly what happened at Passover, what God told them to do. It was a common eastern custom. And when a guest comes and he sees that blood poured out, he knows he’s invited to enter into covenant. When he steps across the threshold, then the host says, “I will protect you with my life. All I have is yours. All I am is yours. You’re like family to me. I will protect you with all I have.” But if that guest comes and steps on the threshold, steps in the blood, what he’s saying to that host is, “I reject your offer to protect me. I reject your offer of covenant. I spit in your face and I die to you, and you are my enemy.” If you do that, you better have brought your army, because that host will slay you on the spot. That’s the very imagery that’s being used.
SID: And we don’t know that imagery that’s written in the Bible. But once you comprehend that imagery, you then can be confident in your relationship with the living God. There doesn’t have to be, like my grandmother used to always say, “God works in such mysterious ways.”
CRAIG: No he doesn’t. God works exactly according to his Word. But let me say one other thing that’s critical. There could be somebody watching right now that says, oh my, I think I’ve done that. I think, I might have committed that unpardonable sin, or I might be the one that’s trampled underfoot the blood. You know how you could know? You know you know if you’re that person? Very simple. Hebrews, Chapter 6 says this: “That person who has done that is impossible to restore again to repentance.” What that means is if you’re repentant and you say, God, I want to change, I want you to heal my life, I want you to set me free, I’m in bondage, God is there for you. He will heal you. You’re not the person who’s done that. The person who has cut themselves off from God and died spiritually is the one that doesn’t want to know God, doesn’t want to have anything to do with God. If you’re even watching us today, that’s not you. You can know that God is for you if you repent today and say, cry out to the Lord and say, “God, help me,” he will be there for you, save you, heal you and bless you.
SID: And you will have experiential knowledge with the living God. This is eternal life that you might have experiential knowledge of him. Make Jesus your Lord. And if you’re a little back-slidden, no such thing as a little, get rid of that little. Confess your sins. Behold…