SID: Hello Sid Roth your investigative reporter, with coach Bill McCartney, and I am so excited about what he has been telling me about football, how God can go into football, whether it is college football, professional football, but if he can go into football he can take over any situation. Promise Keepers – You started with just a few men, gathering early in the morning. Tell me about the first meeting of Promise Keepers.
BILL: Well, what happened was, I had felt like the Lord had prompted me, to go out and ask men to come together, That God would bless it. So I used, you know as a football coach your month off is July, that is how we did it anyway; so I took the whole month of July and drove throughout the state of Colorado, and knocked on doors of churches and asked pastors if they would send their men to a special event on the last Saturday of July? Forty-two hundred men showed up; it was off the charts. No one had ever seen, just men, that many just worship God. Six hundred men got saved. It was just a magnificent setting all together. And I was standing by the stage waiting to be reintroduced to close out the program and as I was standing there looking at the men, and I had felt like God whispered to me, well tell me what you see? And I said God, I see guys that are excited about the gospel of Jesus Christ; this is amazing really. And he said well what else do you see? And I said well, they are almost all white guys. He said you get up and tell them; because we had been talking about filling the stadium next year with fifty thousand guys. These guys were going to go out and get these guys. He said you get up and tell them that if they fill that stadium up with fifty thousand white guys, I ain’t coming.
SID: Yeah, what good is fifty thousand if God doesn’t show?
BILL: So I got up there, you know I’m a football coach; you can get away with things! I got up there and I said God said to tell us if we fill this stadium with fifty thousand white guys he’s not coming. Well I got under attack. They said you just violated God’s Word. God’s word says when two or more gather in my name I am there, but I hadn’t violated his Word, because when two or more gather in his name, you gather in the fullness of his heart. And the heart of God is that all his sons would be represented, and so in my mind that was the line in the sand. And when we stepped over that line that is when God really released the anointing on the ministry, and it exploded after that.
SID: It was so important to God to have this unity,
BILL: Yes,
SID: Among races, so important to God to have this unity among denominations just out of curiosity the thing that I admire the most about how God has used you, is you have pulled off something that I don’t know anyone else has. You have gotten charismatics, non-charismatics, Catholics, Protestants, black, white, Hispanic. All of these groups together; how did you pull it off without having it all explode?
BILL: Really that is how you know God is in it. Again you always know,
SID: When it is bigger than you
BILL: Right because no one can do this.
SID: No
BILL: But what was in our heart was the bonding of the brotherhood. What was in our heart was, the father heart of God is for us to come together across the boundaries and barriers and to worship Jesus Christ in that setting; and that is what happened at Promise Keepers. And to my mind that is the most purest and most powerful thing that happened.
SID: How many pastors did you get together in Promise Keepers?
BILL: In 1996 we has forty thousand pastors come to the…
SID: Did you hear that, forty thousand pastors, from all different backgrounds black, white, Hispanic, Asian; I mean, do you know how many people that represents coach?
BILL: Really.
SID: Okay, but what happened?
BILL: Well it was a three day event and on the third day there was a about a forty five minute time frame where the Shekinah glory came; I am telling you the glory of God came down over that place. I have never in my life experienced anything quite like that. It was euphoric, it was like there was a time when everybody was just like, time was suspended, I think there is something in the father heart of God for his Shepherds. You know the highest calling that anyone can have in their life is to be called to divide the word of God, to lead the sheep. And so when these guys came like that, the power of God came over that place.
SID: But you found out at your events that there was one significant people group that was left out, tell me about that.
BILL: Well quite frankly, the Messianic community the Jewish believers, they were there, but somehow in the exchange they were compromised. They were only introduced after the fact; it was shameful. And really it was right there at that pastor’s conference, when really they should’ve been first when they should have been honored, they weren’t. But that was so sobering, and so convicting that we have never really ever been the same as a result of that omission. In other words, it was called to our attention, and when we realized what happened, we really did repent. And I know that the way that God has worked in my heart, was really a result of that happening.
SID: Now you left Promise Keepers – why and what did you do?
BILL: Well what happened was, we had another pastor’s conference; it was in Phoenix, Arizona and it was in February of 2003. And the first, it was a three day conference; there were about ten thousand pastors there. But this night the first night, the Messianic community did come forward; they told us it’s the first time in 1700 years that the church has properly recognized them. And when that event ended I felt like the Lord said step back. And I can honestly tell you I haven’t one time even had a little inkling to go back. The Lord told me that I was done, and he showed me – I went into the waiting room; those that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength.
SID: I will tell you what, hold that thought; when he was in the waiting room, he heard what I believe is the catalyst for the last and the greatest move of Gods Spirit in history. Don’t go away we will be right back.
SID: Hello Sid Roth here your investigative reporter and I feel like a broken record, but I am so looking forward with you being with us today, and with coach Bill McCartney. Many of you are familiar with him with his football days; most of you are familiar with him with his Promise Keepers days; but God has a new assignment for the coach. Before we get there, Bill I am so intrigued of how a college Football coach comes up with a revolutionary idea that no coach as far as we know in history ever came up with and starts winning games. I am going to take you back to that, tell me about that day. You were an assistant coach, tell me which University?
BILL: University of Michigan.
SID: Tell us what happened.
BILL: I had been there a few years, I was young in the Lord, in 1974 I got hired at the University of Michigan, as assistant football coach and prayed to receive Christ shortly thereafter. And as the defensive coordinator, it was my responsibility to design the defensive strategy for the upcoming opponent. In this particular week we were going to play Purdue. Purdue was being led by Mark Herman, who had just established himself as the all-time total offense leader in the history of college football. Now that since has been broken.
SID: Yah, but that is saying a lot, but go ahead.
BILL: Well Purdue was averaging 45 points a game, coming into our game, and so we began to look at film as the week unfolded, and it was intimidating, they never punted all the ever did was score and so
SID: If I were you I wouldn’t have let my guys see the film, but go ahead.
BILL: Well as coaches we tried to develop the right strategy. And we went out and practiced on Monday, but it wasn’t coming together like it needed to. I mean you know as a coach when a plan is the right plan. We went our again to practice on Tuesday, this is a heavy work day, I mean we are full padded practice, two and a half hour practice, we come in we had filmed that practice. So we watched it that night as coaches, the players weren’t there. And I am praying, I mean what do you do as a man of God? And you know a lot of people think that God doesn’t care who wins football games, but that is not what God’s word says: in Proverbs 3, 5, and 6 it says “Trust in the Lord with all of your heart. Lean not on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him and he will direct your path.” It doesn’t say in every way but football; it says in every way.
SID: Yah, but what happens when there are two coaches that both love the Lord (laughs) and are praying?
BILL: God is going to glorify twice (laughs), it is just one guy is going to have to glorify God by the way that he handles the defeat.
SID: I got you, okay.
BILL: But anyway, the Lord gave me an idea, now the idea since that time has been prevalent. But prior to that time, to my knowledge it was a brand new idea. And I jumped up on Tuesday night at about 9:00 o’clock at night I said I got it, I got an idea! Well we implemented the idea, and Saturday as the game unfolded, Purdue could hardly make a first down, we beat them, 26 to nothing. It was a shocking score because no one expected them to get shutout. People thought Michigan might win, but to shut them out, that was
SID: What was Gods idea briefly?
BILL: Well what he showed me was, was if we would play with six defensive backs, this is back in 1980, college football wasn’t played with six defensive backs in the game at the same time, and so
SID: That is so simple.
BILL: Well, we changed our personnel a little bit to adjust, and then all of a sudden we just matched up with them perfectly. And they weren’t anticipating it wasn’t something…
SID: Now are you sure it was God and not just your football expertise?
BILL: Let me tell you why you know it was God, God works in the absurd would you agree?
SID: Yes.
BILL: Where here is how you know it was God, On Monday after the game, they named me the Big 10 player of the week.
SID: Player? You’re the coach! You’re the assistant coach!
BILL: It has never happened before, it will never happen again, it is a matter of record you can check it out and so that is how you know. Because…
SID: Okay well then you went on to the University of Colorado, but before you went there was an interesting prophetic word.
BILL: Well when I got to the University of Colorado, within the first week after I was hired, I got a letter from an elderly lady in the east. And she told me that God had told her to write to me, and tell me that I would be his rock in Boulder. Not only that, four men came into my office from the state of Texas; I never saw them before in my life, and they said coach, God told us to come tell you that he was going to use you greatly in the days ahead. So what do you do with that, I mean you just carry those things in your heart. And you hold them before the Lord and you realize that God can do whatever he wants to do. But he was preparing me; we consecrated the football program at Colorado at that time to the Lordship of Jesus Christ. Romans 11:16 says if the first fruits are consecrated so too is the whole mass of dough, if the root is consecrated so too are the branches. Every kid that came into that program was prayed in, every coach that was hired was prayed over, when I would go to recruit a kid I would pull up to his house and I would sit outside it and I would say Lord, if you want this guy on the team that you are building, give him to us, give me favor in that home.
SID: Tell me about the time that your pastor walks in, the worst time the worst place, walks onto the practice field and you are saying you know I love you pastor but not now.
BILL: It was, we were in two a day sessions, in August and you have to understand that those practices were carefully orchestrated. Everything had been discussed in advance and researched; so everything that we are doing out there is a matter of thorough discussion and it needs to happen bang, bang, bang. So with that in mind, we are right in the middle of practice and I look over and here is the pastor of my church, James Ryle, coming out on the practice field. And I am thinking, he doesn’t understand; he doesn’t belong out here; and so I gave him body language to kind of let him know, but he is undeterred he keeps coming. And I go oh no, and he says coach, coach, you are not going to believe this, but I had a dream last night and in the dream God showed me that your team is going to have a golden season and you personally will be the National Coach of the Year.
SID: Bottom line what happened?
BILL: Well I was no longer offended (laughter)
SID: That I know, but what happened?
BILL: Well what happened is, I was voted the National Coach of the Year, and we were the only undefeated tied team in the nation, at the end of the regular season.
SID: You see how God couldn’t trust Promise Keepers to this man, don’t go away. You thought that was supernatural; wait until you happen to hear a million, four hundred thousand men came together to worship Jesus in Promise Keepers, be right back.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Tony Kemp. And Tony, you were telling me, because I’ve interviewed Dr. McLean, David Herzog, many others that have other supernatural gifts for people to lose weight instantly, supernaturally, some gradually, but supernaturally. What happened with you?
TONY: I had met Dr. Renny McLean. He was doing a meeting in Borger, Texas. And Dr. McLean is a weightlifter, and I was more overweight then than I am, and I’m still continuing to lose weight. He says to me, “You need to lose some weight.” And I said, “Yes, I do. Will you pray for me?” And so he prays for me. And I felt nothing. But it was on a Thursday, because I believe that God was gonna do it, I went to the clothing store. I bought a pair of pants I could not fit in. That was on a Thursday.
SID: Now by the way, what did the salesman think about that?
TONY: I didn’t tell the salesman.
SID: Okay. Listen, I have a whole wardrobe of pants I can’t get in, but that’s not the reason. I bought them too small. But go ahead.
TONY: So then what happens is on Thursday I can’t get in them. On Friday I can get into them a little bit. On Saturday a little bit more. On Sunday morning they fit perfectly. I preached in them. When I finish the service and I go home, it’s afternoon and I’m still wearing these pants, they’re buckled. They fall of me. As time goes on, Sid, I discover that I supernaturally lost 50 pounds.
SID: You weren’t trying.
TONY: I was not trying. I was not dieting. God just did it supernaturally.
SID: But once God did this for you, you find that when you pray for others it happens. Tell me another story.
TONY: Well I began sharing my personal testimony what God had done for me, and that with God nothing is impossible. And with God all things are possible. Jesus said, “If you can believe all things are possible to the person that believes.” Well a woman came. She weighed 400 pounds. The Lord spoke to me and said, “She’s gonna have supernatural weight loss.” And she leaves the meeting and it appears that nothing happens. One year later she comes to see me. I didn’t even recognize the woman. She said, “You don’t remember me.” I said, “No I don’t.” She said, “You ministered to me one year ago and I have lost 260 pounds.”
SID: And she wasn’t trying.
TONY: And she wasn’t trying.
SID: Now that’s my kind of weight loss. Tell me about you had an experience that I’m interested in, in which you were taken to Heaven and told about the United States.
TONY: Yes. I believe it was 2003. My spirit left my body. I went to the throne of God, which by the way is as big as a mountain. God spoke to me. I wouldn’t even lift up my head because the experience of God’s presence and glory was just so great. I was literally at His feet. And He said, “Pray for the United States.” And essentially this is the truth. Everything that can be shaken will be shaken. And that means institutions, business, economy, school systems, even organizations, even church organizations and institutions. Everything will be shaken. And what God wants to do, God’s not mad, God’s not upset, God loves people, but God knows that people are spiritually asleep. And so God wants to use the shaking to wake people up to seek the Messiah Jesus and the Church to surrender to the Messiah Jesus so we can do what He wants, which is to bring people to Jesus.
SID: What would you say if I forced you to, what is the major key that you have learned to worship?
TONY: I would say surrender, to love God, to do what He says and to love people. And the best way for people to do that is to soak in the supernatural, to see what’s possible.
SID: But you know, when I see you, I see a man that enjoys God.
TONY: Yes. Well one of the things God did talk to me about was He talked to me about in Hebrews where it talked about Enoch walked with God. And it says, “Enoch pleased God.” And if a person goes to their original language, here’s what they will discover. That word “pleased” means that Enoch enjoyed God and he was enjoyed by God. And remember I shared with you that the Father is heart and Jesus is full of joy? What gives the Father joy, what gives Jesus joy is my obedience to Him, my love for Him and my love for people. That’s what He enjoys. And when He enjoys me, I experience His love and His presence, and then I’m able to share His love and His presence. And that means that people are gonna come to Jesus. People are gonna be healed of their sicknesses and diseases, and people’s lives are going to be changed.
SID: As Tony is sharing right now, can you feel the love of God? Can you feel the peace of God? When I interviewed you on worship on the radio, I asked you to worship. And you surprised me because this is what I expected you to do. I expected you start singing praise songs and worship songs. Instead, he just non-stop started telling me how much he loved God, started telling God how much he loved God, and quoted scriptures. That was what your idea of worship was. But the presence of God got so thick when you did that. But you weren’t doing it for that purpose. You were doing that because you enjoy God.
TONY: Right. And He enjoys me when I just love Him and obey. The heart of the Father is to have intimacy with His sons and daughters, and that can happen to any person who says, Jesus, you’re my Messiah, you’re my Lord, you’re my savior. I want to be with you. The Father wants to be with His sons and daughters and it gives Him great, great delight when we’re with Him through the Messiah Jesus.
SID: Very quickly, tell me about the supernatural rain. Very quickly.
TONY: Okay. There was a woman who loved Jesus. She was a farmer. No husband. No son. There was a drought in her area. She asked me to come out and do home meetings, which I did. One time she to me, she said, “We don’t have any rain here. Will you pray for rain?” And so we just asked the Father in the name of His son Jesus to grant rain. And it began to rain on her property, her property only. She lived in a small town next to a lot of farmers. The neighbors began to say, “Why does it rain on your property and not on ours?”
SID: What will God do for those that enjoy His presence? Do you know what? When you enjoy God’s presence you bless God and you will walk in so much favor. Tony, you don’t do it to get something from God.
TONY: Right.
SID: You do it because you’re created to worship God.
TONY: Right.
SID: You are created to worship God.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Tony Kemp. And Tony, I have to tell you, when I interviewed you on the radio I felt such love coming out of you. I felt such a peace of God coming out of you. It provoked me to jealousy. It literally did. And I want to walk in that and I want you to be walking in that kind of love. Because when you’re walking in that kind of love you’re walking in God. And when you’re walking with God you’ve got it all. And when you’re not walking in God you don’t have anything. Tony, you said something happened to you in 1989. Tell me about that.
TONY: Four o’clock in the morning in the month of December 1989, I had an angel come to me. And immediately Sid, my spirit left my body and we went up through the heavens. One thing I should add, Sid, is that there were a number of other souls who had departed from their bodies. But their destination was obviously not Heaven. But the angel took me into Heaven.
SID: Just out of curiosity, how did you know their destination wasn’t Heaven?
TONY: There was a port, an opening, a tunnel that they went into. And when you’re out of your body all your senses are, how should say this, you have the ability to see further, hear more, feel more, and I could see that they were going to the lake of fire.
SID: Could you see their reactions?
TONY: No, because they were, I could see their departure into the tunnel toward the lake of fire.
SID: Okay. So in the meantime, you’re going up, they’re going into the tunnel. What’s happening to you?
TONY: The angel and I are speeding through the heavens very, very quickly, so fast that I really couldn’t see the planets or the stars. And then we landed in Heaven. I do want to say this to people because I think this is very important. People need to really give themselves to Messiah Jesus and go to Heaven. And here’s the first reason why. There’s such joy there. The apostle Peter said, “It is joy unspeakable and full of glory.” My experience, I would say it this way. It’s joy indescribable and full of glory. And the minute I landed in Heaven, Sid, this joy exploded on the inside of me. Yes, there’s joy. If I could say this, the Lord is full of joy Himself, okay. And the people are full of joy. But this joy exploded on the inside of me and it was completely overwhelming. And so when the Hebrew writer says, “The joy of the Lord is your strength”, it’s really true. I mean, there’s a life in Heaven. And so this joy is what people are looking for on the earth. And the key to this joy is giving yourself to the Messiah Jesus and developing a relationship with him. So that’s the first thing I want to say to people. The next thing I want to say to people is I was taken to the heavenly tabernacle, the heavenly temple. And there was a door that was, and the only way I know how to describe this, Sid, is to say it was open and closed at the same time. It was only open by appointment only. And the angel stood before me and he walked through the door, and I just knew I’m supposed to follow this angel. When I follow this angel into this heavenly tabernacle, this heavenly temple, I’m in a courtroom. And there is God Almighty sitting in the seat of the judge, the thrown of God. And I could not see God Almighty clearly. I saw this brilliant white light, this being of light and this glory cloud that surrounded Him and I knew that I was in the presence of God Almighty. The next thing I did, Sid, is I looked to my right because I just felt, it’s an interesting thing about when you’re in Heaven, sometimes you just know things. You just know what you’re supposed to do. And I looked to my right and there I saw the Messiah Jesus as my heavenly attorney, as my heavenly representative, as my great high priest, and as my intercessor. And Jesus is the loveliest person I’ve ever seen.
SID: So you were like in a heavenly courtroom.
TONY: A heavenly courtroom.
SID: And you were given insight into what we’re going to be judged on here on Earth.
TONY: What God said to me was this. He said, “Take notes and learn.” He said, “Now the time has come for judgment to begin at the House of God.” And instantly I understood that what God meant was that He was measuring people. Now it’s very important for me to say this, Sid. God was not mad. God was not upset. God was not angry. God, His heart was full of love. But yet I had this incredible sense of His absolute holiness and righteousness and He wanted me to understand His standard, as it were, of judgment. And it had to do with love. And that’s what began to change on the inside of me. And so this love really was vertical and it was horizontal. When I say vertical, I mean how we worship God through the Messiah Jesus, and it’s horizontal in terms of our relationships. And so the Messiah Jesus said this: “You should love the Lord your God with all your heart, your soul, your mind and in your strength, and in the very same way I’ve loved you, the very same way I’ve loved you, love each other.” And so what the Father stressed to me is He was very concerned about people, about His sons and daughters that we got our worship right and our relationships right.
SID: Now when we have our worship and our relationship right, and what Tony just said was the Sh’mah: Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your mind, all your soul, and love your neighbors, yourself, worshiping God and relationships and love with one another. It creates an atmosphere for miracles. Tell me one miracle that has occurred when you’ve been ministering. Just one that comes to mind.
TONY: Oh my. There are so many. I will give you this example. There was a young man from California. He was not a believer in the Messiah Jesus. He was just a typical person, a sinner. Did not know God. He attended a church service and God was healing people. And so he was born deaf. And so–
SID: By the way, that’s a Messianic miracle. That’s why they were so amazed that Yeshua, the king of the Jews prayed for people that were born deaf and they got their hearing back.
SID: And so I called him forward and I said, “If God gives you your hearing will you surrender your life to the Messiah Jesus?” And he said, “Yes.” I said, “Do you really mean that?” He said, “Yes.” And so he told me, “I don’t believe anything is gonna happen.” So I prayed for him in the name of the Messiah Jesus. And then when I tested, of course I tested his hearing to make sure he was deaf beforehand, and when I tested his hearing after the prayer, he literally leaped backward and his eyes opened up ‘cause he could hear out of a deformed deaf ear and instantly he gives his life to the Messiah Jesus. And so we see miracles like this all the time.
SID: I want to hear about the person that lost 260 pounds supernaturally. Don’t go away we’ll be right back after this word.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest, Tony Kemp, was just like you and now he’s moving in such miracles. I mean, he had one meeting in which seven deaf people got their hearing back. Tony, you went how long without seeing miracles like this? You’ve been in ministry how long?
TONY: At that time before that miracle, I had been in a ministry 26 years. I had received the Messiah Jesus in 1972. I had become a deacon, which means you’re serving in the church. I had become a youth pastor, which means you work with young people. Several years I had become the associate pastor, a parish pastor, which means you met the needs the people in the church, and preached the Good News concerning Jesus the Messiah for years. Saw maybe in 26 years, maybe a hundred people receive Jesus into their hearts. I had prayed for many sick people, Sid, but only saw maybe ten people healed. And the ten that I did see healed by Jesus had stomachaches, back aches. No serious diseases like the blind, the deaf, the crippled.
SID: So you know what a lot of people do, Tony, when that occurs? They come up with new theology. And the new theology is God’s not doing the same thing today that He did back then. I don’t quite understand it, but He’s not. But you didn’t come up with that. You came up with something is wrong and how in the world did you start watching “It’s Supernatural” television?
TONY: Well I began with looking at the ministry of the Messiah Jesus. I began to look in the Bible the Word of God and what it says. I looked at the Book of Acts and what it said the apostles did. And then I began to go on a search. And when I was searching, Sid, I came across your program and I began to listen to your interviews with your various guests. And I began to see what God was doing for them, and what God was doing in them and through them. And the thing that struck me was that they were just ordinary people. There didn’t seem to be anything extraordinary about them. And I thought, these people are like me and look what God is doing for them, in them and through them. And if God can use them God can use me. And so what I did, Sid is I actually went on the Internet and I began to watch your program five to eight hours a day. And I began to be saturated in it.
SID: How many days a week?
TONY: Five days a week, easily.
SID: That was a full time job.
TONY: Yes, absolutely. And I was a full time pastor. And the people in my congregation and the other ministers who work with me, they understood that I was chasing God. And so nobody complained because we want our pastor to actually know God and get a hold of God. And so they understood. So nobody complained. What happened is after, you know, maybe a couple of years they began to see the results of my chasing God.
SID: Okay. So he sees one of my guests and he relates to the fellow. And he said, “Boy, I’d like to meet him.” And a series of circumstances occur that he has lunch with this particular guest. And what did you ask him at lunch, Dr. Renny McClean? That was who he had lunch with.
TONY: Well first, I saw him on your program and he made this statement: “You court the Lord Jesus through his worship.” And when he made that statement that struck a chord in me. And so I knew this pastor. This pastor was also a businessman. I couldn’t believe it. They were asking me to actually call Dr. McLean office, talk with his wife. Dr. McLean changed his flight schedule, I’m a total stranger, just to meet with me. And so we actually brought a tape recorder, set it down at the table and said, “Talk to us about the supernatural.” And so that’s what occurred.
SID: And then after that you had a speaking assignment. And did you have a clue that something so supernatural was gonna happen?
TONY: Well one of the things that Dr. McLean stressed was you court the Lord through worship. And essentially what that means is, is the Lord inhales your praise, He exhales His presence. He inhales your worship, He exhales His glory. And in the presence and the glory of God is when miracles happen. And so I just began sharing the Word that Jesus is a healer, a miracle worker, and that God does miracles today. And so people began to hear the Word. And there were seven deaf people in the service who came forward and I prayed for them in the name of the Messiah Jesus, and instantly ever single one of them heard. Now Sid that stuff never happened to me before. But I began to say the Word works. What I’m reading about in the Word of God, in the life of Jesus the Messiah I’m now seeing in my own life. And so when I heard the people that you interviewed talk about it, now it was my experience.
SID: And one of the things that is so wonderful is the way God had prepared Tony to stand and worship. Now when you and I think of worship we think of a church service where there is worship and then there is announcements, and then there’s offering, and then there is the message. But Tony, that’s not what God’s showing you, is it?
TONY: Right. Whenever we follow the teachings of the Messiah Jesus and do his work, everything we do is worship. So if I pray to the Father in the name of Yeshua, that’s worship. If I praise God, that’s worship. If I just tell God, I love you in the name of the Messiah Jesus, that’s worship. But then when I just love my wife, because the Word of God says, “Husbands love your wives,” God considers that as worship. If I love my natural child or my spiritual children, because Jesus said, “In the very same way I’ve loved you, love one another,” God considers that worship. And so the Word of God says this, that whatever you do–talking, living, life–do it in the name of the Messiah Jesus and to God’s glory. And that’s all worship.
SID: So what I’m hearing you say is worship is walking in love 24-7.
TONY: Yes.
SID: That’s what Tony is saying. But I have to tell you Tony, I don’t meet too many people that walk in love like you do. How do you walk in such love? I mean, give me some clues.
TONY: Okay. What happened Sid was, in1989, I had an experience with God that changed my life.
SID: Hold that thought. We’ll be right back after this word.