Sid: My guest by way of telephone I’m speaking to him at his office in Amsterdam, Holland is Samuel Lee. Samuel formerly was a Muslim he was raised in a Middle East country which we cannot mention for security reasons. He literally as a young child saw a picture of Jesus hanging on the cross and fell in love with Him. Jesus kept coming through people… would come into his life and tell him things about Jesus but when he got into high school he not only got turned off to Jesus because he heard some lies about Him, but he also got turned off on his own faith. Because he got into communism and he became more atheistic. He moved to the west to save his life because he was involved in some pretty radical societies there. So his parents sold everything and moved to the west. Moved to the west and married a woman that was a Christian, this is not recommended but this woman heard from God to marry him. On their wedding night he’s tossing and turning, can’t sleep and a voice says to him… tell me what happens Samuel.
Samuel: Yes what happened was this beautiful majestic voice told me, He called me by my name, He said “Here I am My son behind the door of your heart and I’m knocking. If you open the door I will come in, I will eat and I will drink with you.” I looked into the room and there is nobody in the room and my wife is sleeping. So I touched myself to check out whether I am really dreaming, or is this reality, or am I seeing a vision. What is going on? I even looked at my watch it was 3:00 in the morning. So I was awake and I knew what is going on in the room, but I was doubting so the voice repeated and He said exactly the same words that He said He stands behind the door of my heart and He’s knocking. If I open the door then He will come in and eat drink with me. Then I said “No this is the fact.” I asked Him I asked differently I said “Sir before you enter my heart what is Your name?” Then He said “My son don’t you know Me I am your Lord, King Jesus Christ and I have come to save you personally?” That was the end of the old Samuel and the beginning of the new Samuel changed.
Sid: After He said that what happened to you and what in addition to that did He say?
Samuel: Yes, what happened to me was I heard, I didn’t see the angels, but I heard in that little hotel room… I can say maybe thousands of angels were singing making music for God. It was a big party and I could hear their voice. The Lord Jesus spoke to me and He said “Go back and tell to the people of the world that He is alive and He is coming back.” That was the beginning, actually of the real ministry of Samuel Lee.
Sid: Now did… the Lord was speaking to you in an unknown language, tell me about that.
Samuel: Yes that was the speaking of tongues.
Sid: He was speaking to you in tongues…
Samuel: He was speaking to me in tongues it was a different language but I could understand what He was saying to me. The day when I woke up I myself was speaking in tongues that morning.
Sid: What (laughing) did your wife think about this?
Samuel: Well my wife, for one side she was you know happy, but from the other side it seemed she know about this, it seemed like she’s not surprised. From one side she’s happy and rejoicing, but it seemed liked thank God He answered my prayers.
Sid: When Jesus spoke in unknown tongues to you…
Sid: …you understood every word.
Sid: Out of curiosity now when you speak in unknown tongues do you usually understand what you’re saying or not?
Samuel: Not always, not always. There are times that I don’t understand what I am praying in tongues but there are times that the Lord gives interpretation either to me or to someone else when I’m ministering, but it is not all the time that I understand that tongue.
Sid: Now tell about the time your mother in law called you on the telephone, you were tired, and she said she had someone that you had to minister to and you finally went there and what happened?
Samuel: Yes when I entered the room I saw this lady sitting in the corner of the house and she won’t look into my eyes, she couldn’t look into my eyes. Then I was… then I went and I sit in the room and her husband very respected engineer, oil engineer. He was sitting there and then this woman start opposing everything I am saying, but her life was messed up. Her life was you know she was living in fear excuse me to say she couldn’t even go to the bathroom alone.
Samuel: She was so terrified in her life. She was like opposing every word I am saying. The Holy Spirit said “This woman does not need words she needs action. Just lay your hands on her things are going to happen.” Just like the Apostle Paul said “I don’t come to you only by words but I come to you with the manifestation of the power of the Holy Spirit.” So then I saw that this is not working talking too much to this lady. I just said “Let me pray for you.” Then I laid my hand on her head…
Sid: Now how did her voice sound?
Samuel: Really her voice it was a female voice talking but after when I laid my hands on her head she start to jump and her voice changed like a man’s voice. Then the man’s voice inside her told me “What do you want from me? Leave me alone.” Then I start to pray for hours and this devil would go out and come in. He was like saying to me “I’m going to kill this lady, I’m going to kill this lady. You cannot cast me out.” So I start to cast this devil and every time the voices were changing. Suddenly the voice of a child, the voice of a woman…
Samuel: …the voice of a man, and eventually the devil was cast out from her life. On that moment the Holy Spirit came on this woman and she start to fall on my knees and start to cry and cry. She start to pray in tongues, but believe me for one day we couldn’t stop her from praying in tongues. She couldn’t speak for one day the normal language. Every time she wanted to open her mouth she was speaking in tongues. She was so overjoyed and after that she could explain to me why she bowed before me she saw Jesus Christ in me. Therefore she didn’t bow before Samuel but she bowed before the one who was in Samuel. Since then she was healed never feared of going somewhere alone, to be lonely in a room, or going to bathroom alone her life was changed. I’m telling you right now there are people listening to this radio program and I know that God can touch them wherever they are. They may have the same problems of fear in their life and I believe that right now the Spirit of God is touching them giving them a new life because Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. The same Jesus, the same Yeshua, is able to change your life as you listen to this radio and take out that fear out of your life. I’m sure that He can do it for you.
Sid: You know Samuel with all these experiences you still tried to not go into ministry and just do it kind of part time and do business, but what happened?
Samuel: Yes I was doing business and I was also doing studies in the university and both of them went wrong, both of them went… the business actually collapsed and my grades in the university went down. Everything went wrong in my life and it was useless because there was this voice telling “I need you for My kingdom. I need you for My kingdom. Go preach the gospel.” But it’s like “No I don’t want to preach I want to be a rich man and I will support the church.”
Samuel: That’s what I want to do but that was not the will of God. Until one day I really go on my knees because I saw this huge problem. It was a calamity in the CNN I saw it happened somewhere I cannot remember it was big problems as usual in the world. Then when I saw that the Spirit of God came into my room, and in my heart of course this was not audible but it was in my heart. He said “Are you going to heaven with all your millions? Are you going to heaven with all your degrees you have? What do you want out of this life? Do you want to be just like all other people living in little boxes or do you want to be a solider do you want to be someone who will make a difference in this world?” Then I said “Lord I can’t bring all these things to heaven.” Then He said “Get on your knees and come with Me and join Me I will lead you and I will use you for My plans and My purpose.” That was the beginning.
Sid: Is that how you got the title for your book “Soldier of the Cross?”
Samuel: Yes “Soldier of the Cross” that is the title of my book. That God… you know brother God is not looking for Christians. You know God is not looking for people who call themselves Christians. Go Sunday in Sunday out they go there they hear the word of God and they do nothing about it. God is looking for disciples, God is looking for man and woman educated and uneducated who are willing to risk their lives, their finances, their homes, their beings for Jesus Christ and make a difference in other people’s lives.
Sid: You know there is such an anointing on your book and of course it’s brand new it’s just literally off the press. But you got a phone before I started interviewing you today from a man from India that got ahold of your book “Soldier of the Cross.” What did he say to you?
Samuel: Well I can tell you he was crying behind the phone. He was saying that this book anointed him and revived his soul and challenged him to be a real soldier of the cross. To live a life that is worthy of God, to live a life that would make a difference for the life of other people. I’m telling you he was crying behind the phone and actually accidentally he catch me on the phone and one of my workers give the phone to me and I was talking to him and he was crying and crying and he so was revived. He now has fresh power and new anointing to continue doing the work of God.
Sid: Samuel we’re out of time.
Sid: Do you know what happens when a Jewish person from an Orthodox Jewish background, or a Muslim from a fundamental Muslim background turns to Jesus? We’re not lukewarm 21st century American variety but we’re red hot for Jesus. I have a former Muslim Samuel Lee, that’s not his born name. I’m speaking to him at his office in Amsterdam, Holland. Now Samuel Lee was born in the Middle East, we can’t mention the country for security reasons. On yesterday’s broadcast we found out that age 6 he saw an artist’s conception of Jesus hanging on the cross. He began… he got fascinated, then his parent’s put him in a Christian school and one of his schoolmates said that “Jesus even though He died He’s still alive.” He continued to be fascinated with this Jesus, but then things radically changed in his country and the Christian schools were shut down and he had to go to a Muslim school. He was told some untruths about Jesus. For instance, he was told Jesus really didn’t die on the cross. He was told actually that it was Judas who died on the cross and people thought it was Jesus. So his faith in Jesus was crushed and at the same time his faith in Islam was crushed. So he turned to things like communism and he got into radical groups. To save his life his parent’s moved from the Middle East to the west. What was your first impression of the west Samuel Lee when you saw it? It must have been so different than your country?
Samuel: Yes exactly. Well the west the first I saw is the people are taller than me and I’m the short Middle East boy. That was for me the first impression. Then…
Sid: Now you thought you were pretty tall by Middle East standards.
Samuel: Yes exactly. For the Middle East I thought I’m tall but as soon as I came to the west I saw that “Man I am short.”
Sid: So you did not go out for a basketball team (laughing)?
Samuel: No. In my country I was playing basketball for a while but not in the west.
Sid: Okay what else did you see that was so different?
Samuel: Well I saw also the freedom that the people have in a way. It is like people are dressing a little bit floozy and they are so free. I saw something really shock me I saw 2 men, and I’m talking about 2 boys they were kissing one another. I say “Good Lord where am I?”
Sid: What would have happened in your country if that happened?
Samuel: Can I say that?
Samuel: They will stone you.
Samuel: They will stone you.
Samuel: They dig a hole and they put you in that cover your head and stone you.
Sid: Now when you came to the west you got a girlfriend and her name was Sarah and was a Christian. I’ll tell you something that intrigues me, in your book, and by the way Mishpochah his book is just off the press called “Soldier of the Cross.” You had quite an unusual experience at the post office. Tell me about that.
Samuel: Yes when I was studying, so in the nights I was working in the post office. I was not a Christian at all, I mean at that time you know I didn’t believe in any religion and I had my own ideologies. There was this man working in the post office and he told me that… I asked him “What are you doing?” He said… he’s singing for the Lord. I said “Which lord are you talking about?” He said “Jesus.” I say “God again I’m hearing Jesus.” Then he looked at me…
Sid: You just can’t get away from this Jesus can you?
Samuel: I couldn’t. I mean I went everywhere to run away from this Jesus. From my childhood until that post office day, Jesus is still running behind me to catch me to save me.
Sid: What did you say to the man after he told you about Jesus?
Samuel: I’m not a believer. I said “I don’t want anything to do with this Jesus.” Then he told me that “You young man one day you will be working for the same Lord as I’m working for Him.” I was shocked and I said “I’m not even a believer how can I work for the Lord that I don’t believe in Him?” He said “I bet you’re going to see one day you’re are going to be working for the Lord.” Next day when I went to the post office I didn’t see the man again. I asked to my boss “Have you ever seen a man like this?” She said “Never.” So this is my question, was he an angel or not?
Sid: I think he was, but then you had a very strange dream that troubled you tell me about that.
Samuel: Yes I had this dream that I was dressed in a very beautiful suit and the sun was to my back. I was walking somewhere in the streets of Jerusalem. Then there was this beautiful lake, water, and outside this lake there was this old man behind old table with a lot of books was studying behind this table. Then this old man has white hair and long beard and he was studying. I saw the water, I saw the lake and something deep in my heart said “Jump into the water jump into the water.” I didn’t know what is this. I just with the my Samsonite bag and my suit I just jump into the water.
Sid: This is all in the dream? Go ahead.
Samuel: All in the dream.
Samuel: Then suddenly my foot touched a cup. I took that cup I took it from the water, it is in the water, and I look back you know the backside of the cup and I saw Jewish letter but I don’t read Jewish so I didn’t know what it means. So I went out and I show to the old man. This old man when he saw that he jumped from that chair and he started to kiss me. He said “All my life I was looking for this.” I said “What is it then?” He said “This is the cup of John the Baptist that he used to baptize people.” I don’t whether this is theologically correct or not but that is what he said to me in the dream. He said “All his life…” his turned white he was looking for this cup he didn’t find and I am there as a young man jumping in the water less than 5 minutes I found it, then I woke up.
Sid: What did you think about this dream?
Samuel: Well at that time I didn’t know what it means, really I didn’t know what it means.
Sid: Today what did that dream mean?
Samuel: Today it means something great. Today the Holy Spirit revealed to me what the meaning of that dream is. That old man represents the people who try to do the work of God by their own efforts and they turn old in that without reaching anything in their lives. Then me jumping into the water the Spirit says that water represents the Holy Spirit. I jumped into the water and then I took that cup, that means the ministry for Jesus Christ. Now this is my message for the people that are listening right now on the radio. It doesn’t matter how much theological degrees you have, it doesn’t matter how many things you have studied in your life, and how much knowledge you have. If you don’t jump in the river of God, if you don’t jump in the Holy Spirit of God you will approach nothing just manmade things and manmade projects. In order to be able to be used by God we must give ourselves to the Holy Spirit, Ruach Kodesh, the Holy Spirit. We must jump in the river of life and let that river of life use us for His glory. Then you’re going to see that the things that people achieve in let’s say 30 years you are going to be able to achieve it in 3 years. Because the Bible says “It is not by might, nor by power it is by My Spirit that He can do it” He is able to do it only by His Spirit.
Sid: Samuel what you have just said if people will just take this to heart… I mean look what Jesus accomplished in 3 years. So much of 21st century Christianity is just manmade. Will God find one man or one woman that’ll jump in the river and be a human living sacrifice to do what God wants them to do? Well you ended up marrying a woman who was from Korea. Her name is Sarah and she was a real Christian why did she marry you? You weren’t a Christian.
Samuel: Well actually when she saw me for the first time you know she was already born again Holy Spirit filled. There was this little voice in her heart who said to her “This man is your husband.” But at that time she thought I’m a Jewish man she didn’t think I come from a Muslim country. Actually that voice kept ringing in her ears that “This man is your husband.” Later on when she realized that I’m coming from a Muslim country still she stood on the word of the Holy Spirit who said to her “This man is your husband.” That is exactly for other people. It doesn’t matter what other people says or tell about you whatever the Holy Spirit says it is going to pass and that happened to my wife.
Sid: Well I have to interject something though, a Christian should not date should not marry a non-Christian. However, you’re saying God knew something and that’s why He did that. But on your wedding night…
Sid: …you couldn’t sleep and all of a sudden you hear a man’s voice. What happened?
Samuel: Yes well I was in Spain, to be exactly Costa Brava very beautiful place. I was in this hotel room laying in my bed. I was not sleeping I was awake I was thinking about my life “What am I going to do when I go back to my city? How my life is going to be?” My wife Sarah was sleeping as usual because she can sleep very sweetly, but for me I couldn’t sleep. Suddenly there was this voice in my room. I tell you I have never heard such a beautiful majestic voice in my whole life. It seems as if the whole room is a big, you know box that the voice comes out from it. Then the voice called me by my name, He knew my name. Then He said to me “I stand behind the door of your heart and I am knocking. If you open the door I will come in I will eat and drink with you.”
Sid: We’re out of time.
Sid: I have a former Muslim on the telephone. I’m speaking to him at his office in Amsterdam, Holland. His name is Samuel Lee and the Islam faith, Muslims are in the news. Many Christians are confused on what does a Muslim really believe? Samuel we were talking earlier before we went on the air. Just very briefly tell me what a Muslim believes.
Samuel: Well actually what a Muslim believes basically they believe in:
- Allah that is the creator of heaven and earth
- Prophet Muhammad that God or Allah sent to this world to bring the people to Allah bring people closer to Allah.
That is basically what they believe. Also the rules and regulations they call it Sharia that is the law concerning the Islam that they keep it. That is basically what Islam is.
Sid: Okay, now let’s turn to the Middle East, let’s turn to the fundamental Muslims that have people like suicide bombers that believe when they die as a martyr they go to heaven. The average Muslim in America that is a practicing Muslim does he think the same way about dying as a martyr?
Samuel: Well I don’t think so. I don’t believe like that because I believe that this type of Muslims they are brainwashed because I’ve never seen people think in that way unless they are brainwashed. That’s like in my own school when I was growing up in the Middle East some people they get brainwashed so much in Islam that they really did stupid things. But that is not exactly what normal society, normal Islamic society, is proclaiming to the people.
Sid: Are many Muslims having experiences with Jesus?
Samuel: A lot of Muslims they are having experiences with Jesus these days, especially these days.
Sid: Now why do you that God is doing this right now because that’s what my friends from the Middle East tell me that many Muslims are coming to faith? Why is this happening right now, do you have any ideas?
Samuel: Well I believe that we are approaching the end times. Also I believe the time is right now ready for Muslims to really know who Jesus Christ, or what they say Isa al-Mesih, that means Jesus the Messiah. Who He really is, He is going to reveal Himself to the Muslim people. First we have the communist movement, we have this communistic country that you know the war was closing them to the gospel. This is broken and now we have different strongholds is going to be broken. Many people are going to know who really Jesus is because in Muslim belief they believe Jesus Christ is a prophet, only a prophet just like the other prophets. But when Jesus Christ reveals Himself to the people they will realize that Jesus Christ is not only a prophet but He is God representing Himself here on earth, Immanuel with us. I believe that this is the right time for all humanity this is the right time. It is time that God is going to also reveal Himself to the people of Islam. It doesn’t matter when but I’m telling you I have experienced it with people that have who have met Christ in their dreams, or in visions, or in reality and their lives are changed.
Sid: Let’s take you back to age 6. You were born in a Middle Eastern country, we won’t mention the name for security reasons. You just happened to see a picture of Jesus tell me about that.
Samuel: Yes, well while my father was driving in a very busy market street, and you know in the Middle East they sell everything in the market. Fruits, t-shirts, and everything that you can imagine…
Sid: I love those markets.
Samuel: Yeah so there was this man selling posters because of the traffic my father was driving very slowly. I saw this picture of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. I can remember it was a bit blue coloring, something like that the main color was like blue color. I was seeing this man hanging from the cross at the age of 6. I was thinking “Why is this man hanging on the cross?” and I asked my father, “Father why? Who is this man?” My father said “He is Jesus He is the prophet from God and the people were mean to Him so therefore they crucified.” That was my very first experience with Jesus Christ that really captured my whole life. Even when as tourists, my parents you know they travelled to Europe and we went to these churches like Michael Angelo and these things. I was always letting them make pictures from the crucifixion of Jesus because it did something to me as a little boy.
Sid: Now a year later your parents enrolled you in Christian school, why was that?
Samuel: Well before the trouble came in our country and the war and the Sinai war also, our country somehow the Christians and Christianity was somehow a little bit open. So we had private schools and we had most of the private schools were Christian, Orthodox Christian, or how can I say Catholic Christian, Armenian Christian we had a lot of you know Christian schools, private schools. Those people who were a little bit highly privileged with money and income they sent their children to these Christian schools. Therefore my parents sent me to this Christian school that I remembered even the name of the school means light.
Sid: So you had a Christian friend and your friend was you telling you a little bit more about Jesus, what did he tell you?
Samuel: Yes I had this Christian friend I call him Benjamin. This friend he was explaining… because in the schoolyard there was this church, very old fashioned church like Orthodox Church. Once I was really curious and I went to look through the windows and I saw again this man hanging on the cross. So it really touched my mind and I asked this friend “Who is this man? Did you see that one that is inside that building that one that is hanging there? It’s a picture what is that?” Then he told me, Benjamin is his name, then he told that this man is Jesus Christ and he believe he says he, that means his family and his father they all believe in Jesus Christ. Then he told me that Jesus Christ that I see he is dead He is not dead according to his father what his father told him, He is not dead He is alive again and one day He will come back to the world and you know finish this work. That is what he explained to me as a little boy of 7 years.
Sid: But things changed Samuel and there was a revolution in your country, and the Christian schools were put out and you found yourself in an Islamic high school. One day your teacher said something to you that just totally devastated you. At that time you were an ardent Muslim correct?
Samuel: Yes I wanted to do my best even I was bragging to my family I was singing from the Quran and my grandmother she didn’t understand what I was saying but she just loved it. What happened was until that time I thought that Jesus Christ is you know He is alive and He is coming back. But the first thing that really damaged me was when I heard from my religion teacher that Jesus Christ didn’t die at all that Judas Iscariot actually died in His place. Because he looked like Him people thought Jesus was crucified. Afterwards when they saw Jesus they thought He was risen. That was one His theologies that He was teaching. There were many different theologies they were teaching us at school that really damaged my life and I thought that my friend lied to me.
Sid: So you faith was stolen your faith in Jesus Christ.
Samuel: Yes it was stolen from me as a boy.
Sid: What about your faith in Islam what was it like?
Samuel: Then I started to you know read the stories about the prophets but in a funny version of that like Jacob, you know all these prophets Abraham?
Sid: Yes and their version is very different than the Christian version or the Jewish version.
Samuel: Very different really especially about Ishmael and all these things, it’s a little bit changed. Anyway I don’t go deep on that one, but what I wanted to say is that the teacher one day we had this reading Quran. I really did my best, I tried my best to read it very good and chant it. You know you have 2 ways of reading:
- Reading normal
Sid: Sure I come from a Jewish background and we chant the Hebraic prayers.
Samuel: Yes so I tried to chant and this man he socked me and he said “You are not chanting Quran you singing a pop music!” and he socked me. Then he…
Sid: Did he really hurt you when he socked you?
Samuel: He hurt me, really he hurt me. He hurt me, he hurt my feelings because I was singing from my heart I was singing it from the bottom of my heart. This man says “You are not singing, you are not chanting the Quran you are singing pop music!” He broke my heart and socked my grade and he said “You are not passed!”
Sid: Well then you got into… I guess your faith in Islam was stolen too, and now you’re not really heavy into either. You get into communism but your parents were very worried about you and they decided to relocate to the west. Did they relocate just because of you?
Samuel: Yes. They actually sold everything they had at that time.
Sid: What were they afraid of?
Samuel: They were afraid of because I was the kind of naughty boy especially concerning the politics. I start to hate any religion especially what is going on in my country in the name of Allah what they are doing. So what happened was I was involved in this communism thing, I was even reading “Das Kapital” but I didn’t understand what Karl Marx is speaking about. I just reading it because that is the age that age of people they reading these kind of things. Then I got involved even… I didn’t even write in my book I got involved in youth political groups that were really terrible.
Sid: So in effect you parents were trying to save your life and they just sold everything, they moved to the west. We’re out of time we’ll pick up here tomorrow Mishpochah.
We now return to It’s Supernatural.
SID: I was just telling Richard during the break, I don’t, can you feel, can you feel, can you feel at home, there is a, it’s like a river of God’s Spirit.
RICHARD: There is.
SID: It’s so wonderful. The whole world has to experience this liver [meant to say “river”]? Liver? You know, he just did it to me. Someone’s liver has been healed right now. Someone’s liver is being healed right now.
RICHARD: Did you hear what you said? To feel this liver.
SID: Oh, I heard what I said.
RICHARD: That’s compassion.
SID: Yeah, but let me tell you something. That was not rehearsed.
SID: That just came when I was talking about the river of God’s Spirit that it’s here right now. There is something, I remember reading years ago that your father wrote and you teach on it also, and it’s got to do with supernatural languages, tongues.
SID: He said, the Bible says, “Pray in your understanding and pray in the Spirit.” And your father taught, get into a flow. You pray with your understanding then you pray in tongues in the Spirit then you pray with your, and he said, sooner or later when you pray with your understanding you’ll actually be interpreting your supernatural language. Tell me a bit about that.
RICHARD: Well that’s the Apostle Paul who taught that when you pray in tongues you don’t know what you’re saying. You’re praying the mysteries of God. Your spirit is edified. You feel better, but you don’t have understanding to go along with it. So Paul said, “What will I do? I will pray with the Spirit and I will pray with the understanding.” When a person gets saved the Holy Spirit comes in and bears witness with their spirit that they’re a child of God. So every Christian has the Holy Spirit. They may not pray in tongues, but they have the ability because the Holy Spirit is in them. All right. What does the Bible say the Holy Spirit is doing? He’s interceding. He’s praying, Romans tells us, seven days a week, 24 hours a day, in a straight line prayer to God. Paul taught that we have an opportunity and an ability to tap into the Holy Spirit’s kiosk, [speaking in tongues]. We can pray in tongues and tap into the Holy Spirit’s prayer any time we like. Now many people who pray in tongues only pray at a moment of great joy or in terrible sadness. But it’s something we can do every day. We can tap in, I’m not talking about the gift of tongues. That’s different. I’m talking about your own daily devotional prayer language. We can tap into that prayer, and then as you said, when we stop and pray in our own language, we get God’s response back to us because the Holy Spirit is taking what’s inside of us that we don’t have the ability to express in human terms. He takes what’s way down on the inside of us and takes it up to God. But the scripture says he knows our hurts, he knows our needs, he knows our afflictions, he knows what’s in us. He’s taking that to the father. And then when we pray in English we’re getting God’s response back to us, and many times it’s a direct interpretation or it’s a direction, or it’s a new way, a new idea, a new concept, a new way of doing something, a new innovation, something brand new on the scene. And that’s something that I do every day of my life, not because I’m better than anybody else, because I need help. I need to know what to do.
SID: So if someone has been praying in tongues but they don’t really understand, teach me. Teach me. That’s me. I’m talking about me right now.
RICHARD: I’m talking about people, and what you’re talking about, I believe, is people who just pray in tongues, but they don’t complete the prayer.
RICHARD: They’re doing just a half a prayer.
SID: Yes. Tell me how you do it.
RICHARD: When you pray in tongues, stop and begin to pray in your own language the very first thing that God brings to your mind, the very first thing. Say it out loud and as you practice it, as you do it over and over again, you’ll get into the flow that you were talking about a little earlier. And as you pray in tongues and then stop and pray in your own language, you’ll find that you’ll begin to say what you’ve been wanting to say to God and you’ve not known how or you get his interpretation of what he wants you to have or to do. When I don’t know what to do, I pray in tongues and then I stop and I pray in my own language.
SID: And I’m not saying throw your mind out, but if you could make your decisions from God, do you realize how much better it would be? Do you realize how you’d never make mistakes? We need God more than ever.
We’ll be right back to It’s Supernatural.
SID: Next week on It’s Supernatural. My guest was a career criminal. His extended family consisted of drug dealers, drug addicts, pimps, prostitutes. He had 34 members of his family in prison as of now for murder. I mean, this pervaded the whole family. He had an encounter with the Messiah. He learned about bloodline curses, began to break them on himself, on his family, his extended family and he has a passion to help you break. Now by the way, these curses can be things like sickness, like poverty and their bloodlines. And you can stop it, and his passion is to help you. Are you ready?
Sid: My guest right here in the studio is Curry Blake. Curry supernaturally came into came into the possession of manual that John G. Lake put together. You see John G. Lake taught believers how to pray for the sick. He literally told the people he trained “You go out to a sick person and you’re not allowed to come back until that person is healed.” They verified over 100,000 healing miracles in Spokane, Washington. It was known as the healthiest city in the United States. We don’t see these results today I believe that as Curry told me yesterday this manual was literally hidden and supernaturally came into his possession and he teaches from this manual seminars. Curry Blake how does this teaching differ from the current understanding of healing today? There are some people that say “I need to hear a Rhema word from God to know that I’m healed.” There are other people that say “You can’t be in unbelief or you can’t be in unforgiveness or you have to be a sold out believer in Jesus to be healed.” I mean I can write books on excuses as to why people are not healed. And the truth is we’re not seeing the results that the Bible says that we’re supposed to see, we’re not seeing the same miracles that Jesus did. We’re not seeing hospitals cleared out. We’re not seeing everyone healed, but yet you’re seeing these things.
Curry: Yes Sir.
Sid: What is the difference what John G. Lake do, what do you do that’s different than all of the current generation?
Curry: Well what you say about books being written about excuses and there are books being written or they call them reasons for why people receiving healing. But they are excuses because it always comes back on the believer. The main difference…
Sid: And by the way and that’s why the whole message by many people it’s rejected because every one of us has friends that stood on the promises and died.
Sid: And so I mean and it ends up hurting people’s faith as a reason.
Sid: As a result of it.
Curry: And it brings a reproach on the name of Christ that’s what it does because we’re proclaiming from one side that the perfect nature of God and the perfect message of God and yet people are seeing a small pittance of it actually working. And they’re having few results and like they say they get hurt and they die and different things like that take place. And the difference, the main difference the way I categorize it is that there is a general way that the church in general minister to the sick or prays for the sick is that they what I call the “Troubling of the water.” They wait for the angel to come down to the pool of Bethesda and trouble the water. And Jesus did not wait for the troubling of the water Jesus went about doing good He set out he went out. He didn’t wait until Satan knocked on his door he went out and knocked on Satan’s door. He went out and took…He said “That the gates of hell shall not prevail against the church.” So either the church which is here today is not the church Jesus built because the gates of hell are prevailing against it or we haven’t seen it the right way. The gates of hell cannot prevail against the church. And in the difference in what we do is that when…
Sid: So when someone changed and it’s not God since the Bible says “He doesn’t change.” It’s us.
Curry: Exactly, exactly and the main change the main difference has been is that we do not accept responsibility. The disciples I mean it started back with Jesus “Let’s do what Jesus did if you do what Jesus did you’ll get the same results. So the main thing is that you just go back to the Bible don’t read anything into it, don’t read anything out of it and don’t speculation around it and just do exactly what it says and it will work. That’s the main thing that Dr. Lake did he just took the Bible for the word of God and believed it. He started acting on it his most humble saying “One that I live by today one of the Hallmarks that I live by is a law of the spirit of man or a mind of man.” That it is easier that I can act myself into believing faster than I can believe myself into acting. So we as a church we have tried to believe our self into acting. We keep thinking that if I keep studying, if I keep getting enough word eventually it’s going to overflow and it’s just going to happen. Friend that does not happen, it does not happen. If that were to happen that’s the same way that you would have got born again. But when you got born again you got fed up with sin, you got fed up with living in sin and you decided to turn to the Messiah. That’s the whole key when you get fed up with sickness and disease and you turn to Jehovah Rapha, the Lord our God that heals. then you will start to see sickness and disease starting to fade away because you’ll start to approach it as an enemy and not as a secondary will of God. Well God’s teaching me something from this. If that were true learn it and get out of it because that is not God’s will that you be sick that you learn from sickness and disease. He would rather teach you in health, he would rather…if that was true He could have not put sickness and disease under the curses of Deuteronomy 28 He would have had to say “Well some diseases are.” But He said “None of these diseases but every other disease is under the curse.” So it’s under the curse and not a blessing.
Sid: I believe and correct me if I’m wrong but I believe that God anointed John G. Lake to teach these principals so that the people he taught would receive the same understanding and anointing that he had. There is like an anointing on the teaching it wasn’t just the teaching it was the anointing on the teaching. And what I believe is that God’s given you that same mantle of anointing to teach that same information.
Curry: Honestly I believe you’re correct to a degree I don’t want to emphasize that difference in me because then people say “Well we’re not expected to do what you do.” The fact is that everyone’s expected to do what I do which is to pray for any person sick….
Sid: No but I believe that you’re equipped to people to move in this.
Curry: That I do agree with that I do agree with that. God has..I do believe that God has gifted me as a teacher to be able to bring these things out and explain them in a way that people can grab a hold of it. He allows me to be somewhat of a shepherd in that I can herd the people in the right direction and point them in the right direction so that might get the information,
Sid: Now you told me there was literally a twisting in the understanding of the church when they moved away from their Jewish roots.
Curry: Oh yeah.
Sid: Tell me what affect this had.
Curry: Well we have in our society as a whole but also in the church we have taken the Greek or Roman-Greco method of instruction of herding everybody into one room and sitting them all down and one man standing up and teaching them.
Sid: It’s called entertainment.
Curry: That’s exactly right and that’s about all that comes out of it they leave and to home and nothing’s changed. Well that’s what we’ve done with the ministry we herd them in, we teach them a bunch of information. There is literally no impartation but there’s information. And they get this information when they complete they get a certificate and “Now you’re on your own now go out and practice what we taught you.” That’s not the Hebrew method, it was the correct method that’s why Jesus used it.
Sid: Alright what was the Hebrew method?
Curry: Gather people together, tell them what you’re going to tell them demonstrate it and then expect them to do it. And actually show them hands on training apprenticeship type method of training.
Sid: The best Bible college in the world is to walk in the footsteps of Jesus just watch what He does and then do it.
Sid: That’s the method.
Sid: But it’s so so twisted today but I believe we’re coming back to a restoration of all things and the part that you are playing right now is the restoration in the healing. Because all of us if we’re honest we say “Yes we believe in healing, yes we’ve seen people healed but we’re not seeing that high of percentage and you are.”
Curry: Yes Sir.
Sid: Because there’s a difference in the way you’re approaching it.
Sid: And a difference in the way John G. Lake approached it and the difference in the way that John G. Lake approached it.
Curry: Right actually there was several differences but one of the main ones was the best characterized by a letter that Dr. Lake wrote to Carrie Judd Montgomery on April 22, 1911 and in that letter I’m just going to give you a couple of excerpts out of it. One of them he says:
I wrote some time ago to a missionary by the name of Hoover, at Valparaiso, Chile on the subject of divine healing which in bodies which I regard as the secret of the aggressive ministry of healing that the Pentecostal movement of South Africa demonstrates. And later he says I feel sister that there is a step in this ministry in advance of what the movement in general enjoys. And God has laid it deeply on my soul to present the particular phase of the exercise of the dominion of the Jesus Christ. And that the secret of success of here in this ministry is here in our teaching, our workers do exercise the dominion of God through the Holy Ghost that he has already put in our soul when He baptized them. While in the other branches of his work they still followed largely the old line of intercession for the sick. We do not pray for God to come and heal as in the old days but looking into his face believing that He has baptized us in the Holy Ghost and that we have received the power of God through the baptism we command in the name of Jesus the devil and his works to depart.
And then later on he gives an example where Peter said “Such as I have give I thee.” See that’s our problem we don’t have ministers that say “Such as I have give I thee.” We all put it back on God “Well it’s between God and the sick person.” It’s not between God and the sick person if you’re the minister to the Spirit of God you have no business ministering at all. The Spirit of God is what sets us apart from any religion and what sets us apart from any other belief. We have to have the tangible Spirit of the Living God because if you get the message right God can confirm it right. The reason we’re only seeing a very little bit is because our message isn’t right. Our message is get people in a right frame of mind, get people in this certain things why they can’t be healed. They have all of these excuses why they can’t be healed and we live by those. Get these excuses out of the way Jesus never gave an excuse. He never told a person “You have un-forgiveness in your heart.” I’m sorry you have this problem go and don’t do this. He healed them and said “Don’t go and sin no more unless a worse thing come on you.” He never…and there was no excuses in His ministry and he told us to do the exact same thing. It said “And Jesus healed them all several times.” And in Acts 5:16 it says “And they healed them all” when it was talking about the sick being brought to Peter and to the apostles “Healed them all.” Both times Jesus healed them all and the apostles healed them all.
Sid: Thank you Curry we’re out of time today we’ll pick up right here on tomorrows broadcast.