admin on August 10th, 2016


Sid: Well I have a young man Larry Sparks on the telephone that he is just finishing up on his Masters Degree and the subject he’s getting it in anyone would like this. How in the world do you get a Masters in studying revival Larry? (Laughing)

Larry: Well I started my program and it was one of those things where I began with a Master of Divinity and Practical Theology. And over time it was one of those things where different concentrations came up.  I had the opportunity to go with different things and one of the things that was available was church history particularly revival history. So it’s been really exciting to do that. And I’m just every time I go to class you know some people call seminary cemetery but the Lord’s really used it to ignite my faith exposing me to all of these stories of what’s God’s done.

Sid: Well Larry we’re talking today about your brand new book “Breakthrough Faith.” If there has ever been a time that people need a breakthrough that time is now! Before we even get into the keys for breakthrough I want to take you back right at you were saved at 16 and you started going to a church that was known for worship, but something happened to you that has literally changed the whole direction of your life. You had an experience; a man with an experience with God is dangerous to the devil. What happened to you?

Larry: Well it’s very interesting because and I want to encourage all of the listeners right now that for something to be supernatural it doesn’t need to be spectacular it can be very subtle and that’s what happened to me.  I was on a quest to know God, I was looking at different churches it just came out of the blue it is the Lord just awakening this inside of me.  I’d got a lot of information about God but information and revelation are two different things. You can have information about somebody but never be intimate with them. And so I got information I went to Christian school but at 16 years old I got my driver’s license, I heard about this local church that had something called Contemporary Praise and Worship which I had no idea I was just used to organs and maybe just kind of the old style of music in a church. I went and the message was good but the music was a little strange people were lifting their hands and clapping and it was bazaar to me but one night it was July of 1999 in that church I was standing there in the midst of worship very suddenly but very powerfully I felt like a heat in my chest and then kind of a electricity in my fingers. This was not stuff I was imagining it was a physical thing again I didn’t fall over I didn’t have anything like that happen but it was so deep and so profound I knew it was God, I knew He was real, and the amazing thing Sid is I’m still living out of that one encounter. Again it was so subtle I still live out of that because it was so wow this God who’s out there, this God who’s real more of Him to be experienced.

Sid: You know if you ever read the Wuest translation of the Bible?

Larry: No.

Sid: It’s a fabulous one and John 17:3 says “This is eternal life namely that they might be having experiential knowledge of You.”  And to me that’s the missing ingredient of 21st century Christianity. And yes you need to word, yes you need to be born from above but a man with an experience is as I said is dangerous to the devil.  So you found yourself going to a church that was in what is called Word of Faith teaching. Now as you and I have discussed before this broadcast I started under a man by the name of Kenneth Hagen I didn’t go to his school and I read all of his literature and I got to know him personally. I found that short of someone that operates in the glory realm or in miracles say a Bill Johnson.

Larry: Yes.

Sid: That if someone is struggling with healing that is the single best teaching that I know, and so this is how I grew up. But then the same thing that happened to you happened to me and that is people took the pure Word of Faith message in having to do with healing but then opened it up to other arenas like finances and then went overboard way beyond the people like Kenneth Hagen took it. What was your experience in this word of faith church?

Larry: Well first off it’s funny Sid because people will ask me you know reading my book or just knowing me in the past they’ll say “Are you one of the those faith people?” And I just find that such a funny thing it’s like what’s the opposite “Do you want me to be a doubt person?” You know it’s just like the reality is the word of faith movement from what I’ve studied and what I understand. It was actually been born out of a Biblical principal and that is just stand on the word of God, confess the word. In fact I was thinking about this Sid yesterday just as we’d been talking about it you know what Lord “The word of faith movement has actually made a huge contribution to the Body of Christ because in so many spheres and so much Bible knowledge, but Word of Faith particularly under the influence of Brother Hagen really encouraged us to put the word to work and actually speak it out and actually just sitting there and reading it which is good but he really invited us that movement really encourage us to put it into action. So I was at a Word of Faith church and so I got a lot of good principals was exposed the believers authority the power in the name of Jesus. Oh gosh another great one was “God’s Creative Power” by Charles Capps but what ended up happening is that we were there 7 years this was not the church I had the encounter with God at by the way this was a different church. And the church where I had the encounter really throughout the years to this very day places an emphasis on the presence. The word of faith church had a lot of principals but the presence of God was not their pursuit it was basically putting good principals into formulas to getting what you wanted from God. I remember there was a teaching series “How to get what you want and need and desire from God.” And the reality is God wants to meet your need I want to encourage the listeners God wants to meet your needs.  He wants to actually fulfill the desires of your heart He wants to do those things the problem is God is not a formula; He’s not like Santa Claus, He is our best friend.  The Holy Spirit is our best friend; we love Jesus because of who He is. And in the book I really place an emphasis on the knowledge God intimately knowing God because when we divorce  intimacy with God, the presence of God from good Biblical principals again we turn God a person God the person into a formula and that’s what we found, that’s what we saw after 7 years of being in that movement. And you know that I would say is the imbalance of the Word of Faith.

Sid: I agree totally with that but you also found some sort of when they went way much further than people like Hagen in having to do with finances.

Larry: Yes, yes I mean the entire message it was funny the tithe messages asked the church, not just this particular church but these particular churches would be like an hour long sometimes, no exaggeration.  It doesn’t mean that always bad but it’s just the emphasis when the bent of the emphasis is that church, when the culture of that church is all about using God just to get money and wealth and stuff and using those principals with plug in to the God formula and okay I’m going to plug in my confession because I just want to get what I need from God that just rubbed us the wrong way.  What happened with me, and this is what sort of created tension with me and the church, I and some others in the church we looked outside of that particular teaching for people that were teaching about the presence of God, about intimacy with God. And people out there like John Bevier there were people that I knew at the time who were encouraging people to draw near to God.

Sid: Now just out of curiosity did you find yourself because of the legalistic approach coming under condemnation?

Larry: Yeah, yes I found myself in that position and other people did because it got so crazy and sometimes where as if you said something for example if you said “You know what I’m having a pretty bad day today or wow man my back hurts” if you say that people would actually say “Don’t say that you’re going to curse your life.” Now again there’s a balance again they’re saying “I’m having a bad day and they’re saying that my back hurts but then they’re saying you know what I’m going to die at age 50.” And actually believing that and confessing that and pronouncing that and confessing that over your life I believe you can I mean Biblically you can curse your life when you actually agree with the report of the devil.” But man that was the legalism…

Sid: But then because of where they were at and because of your hunger for intimacy with God you went from one extreme to another extreme.

Larry: (Laughing)

Sid: Tell me what happened.

Larry: Well when we left that particular church after being there 7 years, I was there about 7 years. I wanted to run away from all of that I wanted to throw the baby out with the bathwater.  Which by the way you know one thing I believe the Lord wants to do Sid as we’re talking just as He is in me I believe that He wants to heal our sins in our hearts because it’s easy to get offended by that stuff it is. It’s easy to get offended in situation where maybe you or a loved one were praying for healing or praying for a breakthrough and somebody said something real bad to you like “Wow you didn’t get healed you didn’t have enough faith or you didn’t make the right confession.” I believe Sid even as we’re talking about this the Holy Spirit is touching people and just bringing restoration and healing to ascend.  He’s actually causing them to remember these things just simply repent for them and I believe the Lord wants to bring a Biblical balance to this and help people to walk in breakthrough. Because Sid the opposite I think, it was even I don’t know if it was just as bad or might have been worst, is that I ran away from all of that stuff almost running away from the Charismatic movement entirely I couldn’t.   I couldn’t run away from the presence because I had been so profoundly impacted. So I was running away from the word of faith stuff anytime I heard anybody talk about it use any of that language there was a great offense or anger in my heart. And then what happened is we found ourselves in churches that basically they had faith for when you got to heaven you know “Well if God sovereignty wants to heal you maybe or if He sovereignty wants to move now that’s great but we’re holding out for heaven one day we’ll believe that we’ll be healed and whole and everything and all of our problems will be solved when we get to heaven one day.” But there was not a lot of hope for right now for today. We were in that for a couple of years and it was the exact opposite and what we noticed is I believed that a lot of people in that culture end up needlessly dealing with the devil.  I mean needlessly walking in sickness and defeat and just being condemned and overwhelmed. So yeah that was the other opposite it was great theological teaching that we go about the cross and I am grateful yeah forever grateful, but when it came to walking in faith for now for now to see victory now it was quite the opposite.

Sid: And today when you prayed out to God and you said “Okay I feel like a billiard ball I mean I’m going this direction and I’m going that direction. You prayed to God “What is the truth.”

Larry: Yeah.

Sid: What did God begin to reveal to you?

Larry: Well you know what happened He immediately brought me to the word, and I would encourage the listeners that’s the best place to go because I was just doing for…I was doing a study of healing throughout the New Testament throughout the gospels just different healing stories. And I got to one and I read it and heard it before and heard message about it but man it really ignited something inside of me tenacity. And it was Mark chapter 2 where you have these 4 men who carry their paralyzed friend I mean the guy is completely paralyzed paraplegic cannot move they’re carrying him on a stretcher they bring him to Jesus they want to bring him to Jesus. But what happened is they get to the house where Jesus is and they can’t get in they can’t get in because of the crowd there’s this obstacle there’s opposition and my fear is that today that would happen and what would happen as a result of that we have a need, we bring it to Jesus we experience opposition and because there is an obstacle and we don’t immediately see a breakthrough the sad thing is a lot of people actually change theology about God because of what they don’t see. They bring their need to God, they pray, they cry out and they don’t immediately see something happen so they conclude “Well I guess God doesn’t heal, I guess God doesn’t want to do this and well we’ll just let God’s sovereign will be the sovereign will whatever happens happens.” I’d be okay if these 4 guys ended up making a different decision turning around going home and concluding to themselves “You know what I guess it’s not God’s will to heal our friend today.”But they did not do that and that just got inside of me Sid I saw what they did they were tenacious they were relentless they actually carried the parallelized up to the roof broke the ceiling, lowered him down to Jesus. And Jesus was not upset about this I think about this “What if this happened in churches today?” And “We don’t even want to think about this oh the service is being interrupted all of this is being is going on.” But if anybody, if anybody should not have been interrupted it should have been Jesus but Jesus did not get upset, He did not get bothered. He said “He saw their faith” and He said “Son your sins are forgiven.” And then as a result he healed the man, but we know what happened to know the outcome but what got me was the audacious relentless attitude of these 4 friends they did not accept the obstacle instead the obstacle caused them to press into God a little further and as a result they got their breakthrough.  I’m wondering today for those of you guys that are listening to us if maybe your breakthrough I’m believing that maybe your breakthrough might just be on the other side of perseverance.  And I’m praying that the Spirit of God would just give you a supernatural fresh anointing of perseverance and strength to contend for your breakthrough.

Sid:  I believe people and that is so key people quit just before the victory. But let’s face it we do have an adversary. For instance I…you know what gets me so upset Larry is when believers real believers say “Well everything that happens to me in my life is God’s will.” What would you say?

Larry: I would say “You know what look at Mark Chapter 2 that’s just one example, one example.” I would say “Look at the different gospel accounts.” We need to go back to the gospels we need to be challenged by how Jesus responded because so many times whether it’s this paralyzed may being lowered through the ceiling, whether it’s blind Bartimaeus crying out, whether it was the woman with the issue of blood. This woman was nonstop blood flow 12 years pressing through a crowd to get to Jesus. These people actually did not allow there circumstance to be final; they did not believe that their circumstance and situation was superior to the word of God. They didn’t do so many people today do and it’s kind of a lazy theology they just say “You know what it happening so I default that it must be God’s will.” These people had something happening to them but they did not conclude that it was God’s will they actually thought that God’s will was actually something very different and they pressed in to receive it.  And that’s why we have these stories in the Bible in the gospel they pressed in and they got the miracle, it’s amazing.

Sid: Now your brand new book “Breakthrough Faith” you wrote it for 3 groups of people who are they?

Larry: Well I wrote it first of all for people who are hungry, for people who want more of God and who want to actually see a breakthrough lifestyle become normal for them. Because that’s what God wants to do He wants to release something that is sustainable. Sustain not just a touch, not just an encounter those things are great but He wants this lifestyle to be sustained. So I believe…

Sid: That really is your passion of your life.

Larry: Yeah.

Sid: To have greater and greater hunger and intimacy with the God, that should be everyone’s passion.

Larry: Yes absolutely because here’s the thing there’s no limit to how much of Him we can experience.  In Isaiah 9:10 “And the increase of His government there will be no end.” There is so much that He wants to release into the earth and He releases it into the earth through His people His kingdom. Where’s His kingdom? The kingdom inside of us so my desire is first that yeah this book would stir up those that are already hungry for God.

Sid: Alright the 2nd people group.

Larry: (Laughing) And really the second group of people would be people who have been offended or people who have had false…exposure to the false faith to the incorrect faith. Whether it was extreme word of faith teaching or the cardinal gospel of their spirit, people who are just about ready to give up on the what they call “All that faith stuff.” My prayer and my earnest desire is that not only would this encourage faith people people that are already believing for this but people who have no exposure to this. Sid that’s why I went to seminary that’s why I went I don’t believe it’s necessary to teach the gospel, to teach the word, I don’t think it’s imperative but I went because I want to do my best to steward these things and equip people especially those who are maybe not walking in a supernatural lifestyle I want to do what I can to bring a legitimacy to that. Sid that’s my desire through this book, through my own personal experiences with both sides and my best theological understanding of the Bible to help people who have just misconceptions and confusion about faith to actually start walking in it and get into and actually get hungry for it.

Sid: And of course the biggest need are those that feel that they’ve done everything they’ve been taught to do and they were supposed to be healed and they weren’t and they’re in a hopeless state you need breakthrough faith. This is what I can promise you you’re going to have a breakthrough of epic proportions this is what I’m going to promise you you will have a breakthrough of epic proportions.  I believe that we had 2 of our staff senior producer types that read this book and they understood all about Word of Faith and healing and they said “What a breath of fresh air I feel like I’m now encouraged, I now have this breakthrough faith….When we come back I’ve got to hear the vision you had of the ancient rusty gates that are part of the entire breakthrough.

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admin on August 1st, 2016


Sid: Are you ready for your healing? Are you ready? Are you expecting to be healed? I’m expecting you to be healed. More important than that God’s word says “By His stripes you were (past tense) healed.” My guest Peter Gammons Pastor of Cathedral of Faith in Orlando, Florida and we found out all this week the amazing miracles that go on under Peter’s ministry especially in Brazil you were in a church of 45 people were able, that were deaf, that were able to hear, they could not speak were able to speak. But actually it was 43 people when you left the service but something very unusual happened explain that Peter.

Peter: Yeah we had the 43 instantly healed and some had come from deaf and dumb schools where their teachers who would just cry and cry and cry as these beautiful students. The most incredible thing is that most of the deaf and dumb hear in our service are children and there’s nothing more incredible, nothing more beautiful than seeing moms and dads cry as their little children never heard and spoke, hear and speak.  What happened was as I left the service we tried to get away at the end of the service and the people blocked the road they held hands and we couldn’t get out of the parking lot because they blocked it and so I got out of the car they wound down the window and asked what was happening and they said “We’ve got 2 more that were not in the service 2 more deaf and dumb they ran and out these people and they said “We’re not going to let Dr. Gammons go until they get healed. And so I got out of the car and prayed with them and those other 2 were healed in the parking lot.

Sid: Peter speaking about people that are deaf or mute there’s some people right now they can’t hear anything going on but a loved one heard our challenge yesterday to bring them by the radio. I want you to pray for them right now.

Peter: Let’s do that and if you’re with somebody’s who’s deaf this may seem a strange thing to do but I want you to put your fingers tightly in their ears. This is how Jesus ministered. I want to be like Jesus our call is to be like Jesus, our call is to continue what He began. He said “As the Father sent me so I send you.” And so our call is to just continue in what He did.  Let me just say as I’m saying that in England we have a term called copy cat, it means somebody if you’re doing an examination and they look and see what another person’s doing and they copy what that person is doing.  And they say “You’re a copy cat.” Well I’m a copy cat for Jesus, I’m a Xerox.  I read in the New Testament what Jesus did and I try to copy exactly what He did. And when I do I see the same kind of results and Jesus didn’t just…I’ve seen people when they pray for the deaf they lay hands on the head or they put their hands over their ears just put their hands over their ears. But that’s not what Jesus did it said “He put His fingers in his ears.” So I want you to do what did just as I in the crusades that’s what I do I put my fingers in their ears and I remove them quickly and command those ears to be open as I do.  And I’ve seen multitudes healed that way and I’ve also found that 1000’s of pastors around the world begin to see the same results if they begin to do the same thing that I’ve done. And so if your with somebody who’s deaf and dumb or deaf in one ear or deaf in both ears just put your fingers tightly in their ears and you can speak the word of faith too. I’m going to command those ears to be opened, you command those ears to open and hear in Jesus name and expect them to. And then begin to speak in those ears and so the people can hear. Father in Jesus name do it right now I command these ears to be opened and to hear for the glory of God.  Turn up the volume you spirits of infirmity leave right now in the name of Jesus. Deaf spirits go, dumb spirits leave let them hear and speak right now in the name of Jesus Christ hear in the name of Jesus name. Thank You Lord Jesus, thank You Lord.

Sid: Thank you Father, you know Peter this will be a strange request I don’t know if anybody’s every asked you to do this before but there’s all different types of hearing, there are people that are deaf but then there are people that did not hear God’s voice clearly. And I believe if you’ll pray for people right now and they’ll do the same thing that you said. And that is put their own fingers in their ears and then pull them out they’ll be able to hear whatever that blockage is that’s stopping them from hearing God’s voice is going to be gone as in this moment if you’ll pray for them right now. And Mishpocha you put your 2 fingers in your ears as Peter begins to pray and then pull them out.

Peter: Yeah, I believe that there’s some people that’s saying God’s not speaking to me and the word of the Lord is “Go back to what He said before and do it.” Some people are waiting for God to say something else when they haven’t done what He told them to do before, they made a pledge and they never fulfilled that pledge. You know if God spoke to you before do what He says don’t expect Him to keep talking if you’re not doing the things that He’s already been speaking about.  Father I command that spiritual deafness to go and for people to hear You and hear Your voice and Father we ask Your forgiveness for any who have heard You but not obeyed and that from this day would begin to obey and do what You’ve told them to do and reestablish that relationship and covenant with You in Jesus name Amen.

Sid: And Peter there are people with many different types of infirmities there is someone with a wrist that is very sore or painful and I know that if they’ll start moving it right now the pain will disappear. Will you pray for a number of different diseases right now?

Peter: Praise you Jesus one of the things that I discovered we went through for very formal meetings in the early days to where in the past 30 years where all across the world in 17 nations of the world. We usually have 1000s of people in a single service and I couldn’t lay hands on them all if I did I would die of exhaustion and yet they come hoping to get a touch from the minister. But I encourage the people “It’s not my touch.” I tell them time and time again I’m not the healer Jesus is the healer I don’t have healing hangs.” Because I want to point them to Jesus one of the things I’ve said all across the word is “I don’t have healing hands the hands that heal are pierced by nails. And I tell people you can lay your hands on your body right now and be healed you don’t need me to lay my hands on you.  You can lay your own hands on your body where there is pain and I will pray one prayer and all across this auditorium and by television and radio as I do people will be instantly healed. And right now as I speak that I encourage those of you that need a healing touch from the Lord expect a miracle.  Lay your hands on your own body right now where you have pain and when I pray expect to be healed and then begin to take a step of faith begin to do what you couldn’t do before. You couldn’t move that shoulder move it, if you couldn’t walk get up and walk in the name of Jesus in Jesus name.

Sid: Now it’s not just pain is it Peter it’s anything that’s wrong.

Peter: Yeah absolutely whatever the Bible says that He bore our sicknesses and carried our diseases all of our infirmities were laid on Jesus and He’s our substitute and receive healing in Jesus name.  And I just want to speak a word as well Brother Sid to any that are tuned in and you don’t have a living relationship with Jesus Christ.  You’re not sure that you’re saved right now in Jesus name just say “Jesus I want to know You.” My friends the Jesus I preach is not the Jesus of religion, maybe you’ve been put off by religion or by some Christians who were uncaring or didn’t represent Jesus or all kinds of things that did not represent Jesus.  But my friend don’t follow the Jesus of religion or 20th century Christianity, get a New Testament and follow Jesus the lovely Jesus that you’re discovering in those pages who loves you and cares for you and died for you and wants to heal you.  Just give your life to Him now say “Jesus forgive me and come into my life right now.”  And let I’m going to pray for those that are sick and needy and need healing lay hands on your body. Father I command every sickness, disease, every infirmity, every pain to leave these bodies right now you spirits of infirmity go in the name of Jesus and never return and for people to be instantly healed right now in Jesus name. All across the world this is happening right now receive your healing in Jesus name and begin to do what you couldn’t do before. And I want you to write or call us and tell us what God has done.  It’s an important key to maintaining your healing is to testify.  The Bible says that we’ve got to believe in our heart and confess with your mouth. That’s where a lot of people they believe in their heart and they get it and then they don’t confess it. Let me just quickly tell you one of the main ways the devil robs Christians of healing is He heals them and then they’re invited to testify and the devil whispers in their ear and says “What if it doesn’t last you’re going to lose your healing, I guess that’s true and I’ll wait.” And what they don’t realize is that they’ve moved from faith from where they got healed to unbelief.  And the devil then has a right to rob you when you get into unbelief and then he robs people when they say “Well I wasn’t healed in the first place.” Well of course you were healed now you just allowed the devil to rob you of your miracle. And don’t allow that devil to rob you write and call today and tell us what God has done give Him the glory because I believe God’s touched you right now in Jesus name.

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admin on July 27th, 2016


Sid: My guest Dr. Peter Gammons who’s the senior pastor at Cathedral of Faith in Orlando, Florida. We’re talking about his newly re-published book “Israel in Prophecy,” literally written for such a time as this.  We were talking on yesterday’s broadcast that exact dates are mentioned when it comes to the nation Israel. For instance, in chapter 4 which talks about the liberation of Canaan, you quote to the exact year from Daniel 12 verse 12 what will happen. Explain that.

Peter: Yeah, it’s amazing. The question is asked “When will this liberation take place?” The answer comes back in Daniel 12 verse 12 “Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.” Now in Bible times a day often is used in the context via to a day context. Time and time again that happens throughout scripture. The Daily Commentary by Scripture Union Volume 214 points this out “This remarkable book Daniel ends with figures and dates that are not easy to decipher. One at least is absolutely literal, or else the most curious coincidence in history. This is the figure in verse 12 of 1,335 days. General Allenby captured Jerusalem in the year 1335. According to the Muslim calendar which was the one used by the Turks who at the time held Jerusalem, this was 1917 in our era and marked the first step of the liberation of Israel’s land.” So until the year 1917 the Turks reckoned by the lunar time and therefore there coins had different dates on them to the dates of our coins. So our 1917 was the year one thousand-three hundred and thirty-five, 1335. Just as Daniel prophesied in Daniel 12:12 “Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days” that’s an impossibility of the natural isn’t it? The very year of the liberation will be the very time that was prophesied by Daniel, exact figures not something difficult for us to decipher; the coins minted by the Turks that year bearing those numbers 1335, one-thousand-three hundred and thirty-five.

Sid: Then you go on to chapter 5 where you talk about the establishment of the state of Israel and how many supernatural things had to occur.

Peter: Yeah it’s amazing it’s a miracle of God. Israel had no hope really that it would happen because they were not established as a nation at the time. They weren’t even allowed to be involved in the voting. So people listened to the radio broadcast from Fleshing Meadow on the vote that took place, and that in it’s self is an interesting thing. Here in my book “Israel in Prophecy” I list the different nations that either supported Israel and the establishment of a homeland for Israel, or the people that opposed it. It’s a testimony, interesting isn’t it that Russia supported and Russia was one of the key nations that was proposing Israel be established as a nation. Britain even after coming out of the horrors of the World War II and seeing all the terrible atrocities that had happened to the Jewish people, abstained. It’s a testimony for all of history and a sad testimony for some nations that they either opposed or failed to support Israel. Some even abstained and yet their abstention was a terrible thing and yet God by a miracle and a very narrow vote saw Israel established as a nation.

Sid: Do you have any idea why Russia supported Israel being a nation even brought it to the forefront? I mean if it wasn’t for Russia there might not have been a state of Israel.

Peter: (Chuckling) Isn’t it amazing it’s just one of those facts of history…

Sid: I, I, I… the Holy Spirit just corrected me, but there would have been a state of Israel if Russia hadn’t done it someone else would have done it. But anyway, why Russia?

Peter: But God used it yeah and a hardened communist leader who was the man that stood up there and supported it. I think there’s a number of things perhaps there was so many Russian Jews there that he wanted to release some of them from Russia, but I don’t want to put a natural reason on it.  I believe that God supernaturally worked in that and that again shows His sovereign hand concerning Israel. You know you would think in the natural it would have been easier to cause Britain or one of those nations to support them, but God wanted I believe just to show that He is a sovereign even of history. At the time, and we’re going back at a time where Russia was feared as a great superpower, and yet still God was showing His hand that when it comes to Israel that He’s ultimately in control. One of the quotes that I like that I came across included in this book here was the time where Napoleon was sitting around the camp fire with his Marshals who were all atheists, the Battle of the Pyramids. They asked him “Do you believe in God?” Napoleon pointed to Marshal Massena who was a Jew and said “Gentlemen there is the unmistakable argument that there is a God.” Another quote that I put there was Frederick the Great saying to his chaplain “Show me a miracle.” To which the chaplain replied “Sire it is the Jews.”  We see time and time again God’s sovereign hand as far as Israel is concerned is incredible that God still loves His people Israel.

Sid: Let me just read from your book when they had the vote Israel became a nation. Here’s one quote it says:

There was joyous outbursts and dancing in the streets throughout the Holy Land. Newspapers carried the bold headlines: A Jewish State

Of course you have reproductions of a lot of these things.

Golda Meir addressed the Jewish people from the balcony of the Jewish Agency building in Jerusalem announcing “For 2000 years we longed for deliverance. We awaited this great day with awe, now that it is here it’s so great and wondrous that it surpasses human expressions.” Many tears were shed as Hatikva was sung. The words “To be free people in our own land” acquired a new meeting.

But after Israel became a nation they couldn’t even take a breath. What happened Peter?

Peter: Yeah there was an attack. The Arab nations united together to try and destroy Israel. Each time they said “We’re going to destroy the nation of Israel” Israel ended up with great land it was a miracle protection of God. This tiny little nation but once again the hand of God was upon Israel. I like one of the comments that was made that “Israel had no other choice.” All the other nations had their own lands they had their own but Israel had no other choice. We’ve seen the miraculous protection of God time and time again where the Arab nation says “We’re going to annihilate this little nation.” God’s hand was upon them, instead of being annihilated they took further territory.

Sid: Peter you have in your book that Israel’s Air Force at that time was a small plane that was used for a private flying club. Israel’s Navy consisted of a converted ice breaker equipped with 2 – 20mm aircraft cannons and these were disguised with paper mâché to look like 6, I mean give me a break. If that wasn’t God who was it? (Laughing)

Peter: Isn’t it amazing it’s absolutely fantastic. Supernatural things that have happened too, some of the stories are miraculous interventions like in 1967 the restoration of Jerusalem. I love one of the stories where it’s reported that 2 Israeli tanks topped the sand dune in the Sinai campaign and found himself facing a complete Egyptian tank unit. The Egyptians stopped open their turrets jumped out and ran. One of the captured Egyptians soldiers reported there were hundreds of Israeli tanks. Isn’t that amazing?

Sid: They must have seen the angels.

Peter: Isn’t it amazing? Isn’t it amazing? Just a slight deviation from the subject, but one of my friends in Rhodesia as it was then, Zimbabwe today. Two of his church members were running from some of the troops that were shooting at them and they were in the hillside. Suddenly they said the whole hillside was filled with soldiers dressed in white who started shooting back at the rebel soldiers and so they ran. Incredible things God’s miraculous intervention and angelic intervention like God’s angels really are there to protect and fight on our behalf, of course Michael leading that great angelic army to protect Israel.

Sid: You know Peter it’s my thought and I believe this with every fiber of my being. The Bible says in the last days there will be great deception, false prophets that will come about. I believe that any Christian that does not have their theology straight on Israel is going to fall prey to these false prophets.

Peter: I believe so too. There’s a lot of deception, a lot of people misunderstanding, a lot of pretense from people saying “This was the land of the Palestinians” which of course they were not there people that were there beforehand. All kinds of things they were fighting for in the nations. I think it’s vitally important for preachers and for leaders that they make a stand for God’s word and for God’s love for Israel and for the nation of Israel. I believe that ministers will rise and fall depending upon their response to Israel.

Sid: I want to go back to something we were talking about earlier on. We were talking about the great Jewish zealots that went into Masada the fort, and rather than give themselves up they committed suicide. Recently they found what were known as the Masada scrolls.

Peter: Yes.

Sid: Repeat what was in there.

Peter: Yeah they found them buried in the temple buried the prophecies of Ezekiel 37 that these bones shall live. A sign that they believe once again Israel would live and that the bones of Israel would be brought together, and that the nation of Israel would again miraculously be resurrected. This was at the end of this attack from the Roman army barely 40 years after Jesus had spoken the words “And they’ll fall by the edge of the sword and be led away and captive in all nations. Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles until the time of the Gentiles be fulfilled.” Titus and his army who had attacked and of course some of these Roman zealots who had camped out in Masada, this mountain top fortress that Harod who was afraid of everybody had built to protect himself. Finally the 10th Roman Legion under Flavius Silva crushed the resistance but before they took their own lives because they didn’t want to see their children and their wives raped and tortured to death; they still believed that one day, even though this appeared to be the end it appeared to be the last resistance the Jews having been spread throughout the Roman empire to try and cause them to lose their Jewish identity. Of course one of the amazing things that has happened because many of the Jews… most of the Jewish people didn’t intermarry they managed to maintain their identity as a Jewish people even without a homeland or without a nation.  The scroll was hid there in the temple and only recently found. The words of it are absolutely fascinating…

Sid: I’m sorry we’re out of time.

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admin on July 19th, 2016

Martha Kilpatrick 1292 (2002)

Sid: My guest right here in the studio Martha Kilpatrick from Suches, Georgia. I asked her “Where in the world did Suches get its name?” And you told me:

Martha: From an Indian chief.

Sid: I said “Of course I forgot about Indian Chief Suches (laughing)… I’m getting a little goofy right now, but we’re talking about a very serious subject. I’m interviewing Martha on her new book “Chariots of Fire – Elijah the Last Days,” which gives us insight to the spirit realm that’s stopping us from having intimacy with God, fulfilling our destiny, and as Martha said it “It causes the devil to write the last chapter of our life,” and no one wants that. I want to deal a bit about Jezebel today.  How does the spirit of Jezebel actually come in Martha?

Martha: Comes in through bitterness and unforgiveness, and it becomes an unconscious hatred of God. It took me years to understand that, but I’ve written Jezebel captive are God haters who want to control what God failed to manage to payback what He would not avenge. Liars who forgot they hate God and it becomes religious, ironically those who hate God go where God is.

Sid: But they put in such safeguards that look good on the outside but prevent anyone from thinking for themselves and developing their own intimacy with God.

Martha: Exactly it couldn’t have been said any better than that, that is exactly what happens. But the motive is really to murder God. I’ve written that the prime target of Jezebel haters are the succulent lambs who love love. The motive is hatred; I learned it from people who I’ve tried to help come out of it and one person told me, several people have…

Sid: Why do you have to help someone come out of it…

Martha: Because it’s a blindness, Jezebel gives you a blindness.  Satan loves to blind you to your own as you said earlier to your own responsibility and involvement in it.

Sid: It is so easy to see a fault in someone else, and you know what I’ve found it’s a psychological truth, but it is the truth, is the thing that upsets you the most you better take a look at yourself as to why it upsets you so much because the same thing is in you.

Martha: Exactly. The upset is the key that is a problem. But…

Sid: So let’s talk a bit about Jezebel.

Martha: Jezebel by bitterness and unforgiveness that is the ground root that comes in. From 2 people who have really confessed to me what they think I’ve been shocked at the thought life of a believer that can…

Sid: Let’s take one of these people because we are not mentioning names, tell me about what shocked you so much.

Martha: This person told me several things: 1. That she plotted to murder and one of them was me. She plotted my murder. In her imagination she had such a level of hatred in her thoughts and did not think it was wrong.

Sid: Look at… it’s actually playing out in life, now I don’t think these people are Christians of husbands murdering wives, wives murdering husbands, I mean its coming to the surface in today’s society but… I guess what someone does is they just entertain that thought….

Martha: Exactly.

Sid: …and once they entertain it it becomes an obsession.

Martha: And Satan enters it. In some diabolical way affirms to the person in their thoughts that they’re right and it’s just.

Sid: It’s hard for me to comprehend how…

Martha: It is hard.

Sid: …the devil could be so clever to do that but we see it.

Martha: It’s hard for me to comprehend that a person could have those thoughts and not know that it’s sin.

Sid:  But see it’s one thing to have a thought, it’s another thing to entertain that thought.

Martha: Exactly to brood and to rage over it. It is…

Sid: It is like the unforgiveness business, the more you mull over how John struck you, the deeper it gets.

Martha: Yes and it grows. It’s what the scripture says “Don’t let the sun go down on your anger lest the devil gets a stronghold.” Well the stronghold of bitterness grows and grows until you believe that your evil thoughts are entirely right and that God agrees with you. That is the inner insanity of the Jezebel spirit.

Sid: So what happened with this woman that confessed that she was literally plotting to murder you? I still find this hard to believe but go ahead.

Martha: It is very hard to believe. That woman hasn’t come out of it another one has.

Sid: Well tell me about the one that has (laughing).

Martha: (Laughing) Let’s talk about the one who has. She has spent many months repenting, seeking God with all of her heart, on her face fasting, praying, and He has been very faithful to build an intimate relationship with her to receive her seeking Him. She’s coming through but it’s a hard work because it can’t be… it’s a character flaw. It doesn’t begin as a demonic entity that you can just cast out, it begins as a character flaw where you do not obey what you know in scripture, and you don’t obey the Lord and hear his voice and move in that intimacy. So it begins in the character flaw, it becomes a demonic thing. So to solve it you have to go back and build integrity in secret in your heart.

Sid: Step by step how does someone do this?

Martha: I really don’t think a person deep in Jezebel can come out of it apart from the accountability of the body of Christ because as Elijah did it it takes enormous confrontation and commitment to a person to help them come out. if a person will accept the accountability and the help of the body of Christ they can come out of it.

Sid: You know why I see a catch-22 going on worldwide as I travel around the world Martha and there appears to be those that want intimacy and going on with God and are in churches that are more religious than intimacy, more control than freedom, more “I’m not willing to experiment in the Holy Spirit because it might rock my ship. I’m not willing to fend my big tithers,” are pulling back from organized church and they’re out there but they say “I can get more in my prayer closet than this religious system” but yet God wants us to assemble together it’s almost like it’s a catch-22.

Martha: Well I believe that for the serious believer that is willing to follow the Lord anywhere that the Lord builds a body around you. It may be several people in other states, but the key to coming out of Jezebel is personal relationship with other believers. Where God has called people together to help each other run the race…

Sid: When you’re say “Call people together” you’re not necessarily saying a “building, a church”…

Martha: Right.

Sid: …a whole structure.

Martha: Right this can take place within the structure. A group of people that God has bonded together it can take place outside of the structure. The key is when God calls people together in relationship we are there to help each other run the race. The one who will accept that, and this woman very bravely did very courageously, she could have gone back in the organized church and then totally secluded and not found out. I think T. Austin Sparks wrote “Only in a body of Christ can through evil but surface.” That’s an astonishing thing.

Sid: Sure if there wasn’t marriage then we’d never find out what’s wrong with us (laughing).

Martha: (Laughing) A prided thing that’s wonderful.  But she was willing to except the accountability and numbers of us have worked with her. She’s been very courageous and really prayed hours and days on the end that God would show her and help her, and He has. Though we’ve pointed her in the right direction and we’ve helped her see her work alone has been the thing that has brought her through. I can’t help another person surrender to God, that’s a work they have to do themselves, but she’s come through to realize it’s ironically exactly what Elijah said “That God is God.”

Sid: Once someone really and truly comes to grip with this, that they’re under the influence of an Elijah spirit, or under a… not Elijah they’re under the influence of a Jezebel spirit or an Ahab spirit and then they repent. I mean its… that simple?

Martha: Revelation gives that as the remedy, the only remedy to Jezebel repent. It is that it is simple, and yet God must grant it. You can start with what you know and repent of that and ask God humbly to give you the repentance that’s the work of the Holy Spirit. That work of the Holy Spirit is light, and when it falls on you you see and you renounce and you’re transformed. You’re also transformed by confessions, confession is much about this, confession to one another brings healing.

Sid: Confess your sins one to another to be healed.

Martha: Exactly and the promise of 1st John 1:9 is that you confess your sins not only will He forgive you but He will cleanse you. So it’s enormous confession of these thoughts, of the selfishness, the extreme… both Jezebel and Ahab ride on extreme self-centeredness. The saving of self, the protecting of self, and the abandoning of self to God is the solution.

Sid: Now it’s important to have a brother or sister in the Lord that you so trust that you can be transparent to confess that sin and then get to the prayer of agreement.

Martha: Yes, yes it’s crucial for people who have covered up with evil who’ve given themselves over to evil, it’s crucial to have…

Sid: But see God’s definition of evil and man’s definition of evil are different. Man’s definition is “Well I haven’t murdered anyone, I haven’t robbed an banks lately, I’m a good person (patting themselves on the shoulder)” but they’re just totally controlled with self…

Martha: And that’s what the evil is. That’s the root of every form of evil whether it’ religious persecution, of course it was the religious that killed Jesus not the common man.

Sid: Martha how in the world is God going to fix the church because God loves the church, the church is the body, I’m not talking about the building it’s the body of believers? There’s got to be a change, we’ve become so fossilized and so religious.

Martha: Well even that may produce the hunger and it will break it through. Our very cement may become intolerable to… may it be so, may it become intolerable to us so that we will want to break out of what’s happening all over. I believe that where there’s just the slightest desire for God He rushes in to give more desire that will issue in the freedom.

Sid: You know Martha there is not one key for this but there are keys for this. I’m convinced God has put your thumb on the pulse of a key that is stopping intimacy with most Christians.

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admin on July 13th, 2016


Sid: Sid Roth here with Mark Virkler talking about something that is music to your ears, “How you can hear clearly the voice of God.” Now you teach Mark on meditation of scripture in a different way than I’ve ever heard someone teach this before, explain.

Mark: Well you know when I grew up I just memorized the verse “To study and show yourself approved and I kind of never got to all the verses that says “Mediate on My word day and night.”  So I asked the Lord “What’s the difference between study and meditation?”  He showed me the difference when you meditate part of mediation is you’re praying over the word and your allowing God to illumine the word to your heart. And the way we experience that verse it leaps off the pages of scripture, hit you between the eyes and you know God has just opened that verse to you right there and right then. And I thought that every listener has had that experience.

Sid: Yeah but not enough!

Mark: (Laughing) well you can have it every single time you go the Bible.

Sid: Really I mean every…once and awhile I’ll have a Rhema; I’ll have you know scripture jump off the page. But are you telling me I can have it every day?

Mark: I guarantee you can have it every day because I do and I never used to and I do and….

Sid: So tell me I’m all ears.

Mark: Okay well you posture your heart instead of going to the Bible and saying “I can figure it out;” which is dependent on my brain and my abilities and me. I go to the Bible with a humble attitude and say “Holy Spirit would you show me what’s here?” And so I’m humble, I’m meek, I’m inviting the Holy Spirit to give me revelation, I’m tuned to flow because out of my innermost being shall flow.  So I’m allowing flow to guide the process, I’m allowing flow to tell me where to look and what to look at and what to see and I’m starting with real life issues saying “God I’m struggling with this particular issue can you give me scripture show me principals here?” And I’m imagining here because one of the words for meditation means to imagine so I’m picturing the scene, I’m picturing the disciples, I’m picturing them breaking the loaves and saying “Lord what do you want to say to me about breaking the loaves in my own life and taking limited provision I feel I have right now and multiplying it so that it’s no longer limited?”  And then I begin to flow and journal out a half of page of what He saying to me; so all of those elements are part of the book of mediation.

Sid: Now there are a lot of Christians that have a fear of visualization they think it’s New Age what would you say to them about that?

Mark:  Well I would say it’s not New Age; I would say that New Agers are free to visualize if they want to they’re free to do anything, they can drive cars, they can get married but that doesn’t mean that I can’t drive cars or I can’t get married just because they do. And so I want to go back to the Bible and say “Does the Bible contain pictures and does it encourage picturing?” Well yeah it does here is what King David says in Acts 2:25 he says “I behold the Lord always in my presence, He is at my right hand and I will not be shaken.” And in Psalm 16:8 he says “I have set the Lord at my right hand.” Well that is a good visualization he decided to picture the Lord right there at his right hand and if King David can do it I can surely do it.

Sid: Yeah but I like the rest of that verse not only is He at his right hand he says “I will not be moved.”  That’s pretty cool (Giggling)

Mark: Isn’t that great because you know I get pushed around by life, I get angry, I get frustrated, I get depressed and David says “I’m not going to get any of those things I won’t be moved at all as long as I see Jesus present with me.”  Because He’s not getting angry, he’s not getting frustrated He’s calm and if my eyes are on Him I’ll be calm also.

Sid: Now you told me that God showed you 4 principals and each principal of course would take a long time to teach but I wonder if the rest of this show we can approach it a little differently.  I’m wondering if you could teach me how to hear God’s voice and then people that are listening will kind of really capture what’s involved.  And start me the way God started you I think that’s a good way to start.

Mark:  (Laughing) Alright well we’ll just go to Habakkuk 2:1 and 2. Habakkuk said “I’m going to go to my guard-post.” So Key #1 is to have a little prayer closet where you go and quiet yourself down in the presence of God.

Sid: Do you find that it’s important to have the same place not necessarily a closet but the same place every day to pray? Does that help you?

Mark:  It helps me and I also find early morning helps me but it doesn’t help my wife because she’s not an early morning person. But when I get up my hearts ready to download revelation it received during the night. And I just tune to flow and I pray for awhile…

Sid:  Well revelation you received at night; what kind of revelation you’ve received at night?

Mark: Well it depends on what I asked for when I go to sleep at night I ask God to give me revelation.

Sid: Oh really I just kind of whatever God wants to show me He shows me you get more purposeful.

Mark: I’m more purposeful because the Bible…because our spirits don’t go to sleep our spirits stay awake and they work on anything you tell it to work on.

Sid: You know I’ve interviewed people that tell me they pray in tongues but they tell me when they sleep they’re spirit is praying in tongues all night long.

Mark: Well your spirits going to do when you tell it to do so you know if you go to bed praying in tongues you’ll probably pray in tongues all night. I go to bed sleep saying the name of Jesus over and over. As I breath in and out I’m saying “Jesus.”And if I need peace I say “Peace.” And if I need calm I say “Calm.” And so I go to sleep in the presence of Jesus.

Sid: Well what about…alright let’s take an example give me an example of something you’ve asked God and then received a dream on.

Mark: Well we’ll take this morning well how about this morning’s revelation okay.

Sid: Okay.

Mark: I did a blog a couple of days ago what’s wrong with the Protestant Heritage Foundation?”  And I said “Well it’s kind of reactionary to Catholicism,” and I don’t want to be part of a reactionary movement necessarily.  And so I’ve had 2 people email me and say “How do I find a really great Spirit anointed church?” And I went to bed thinking about that and the Lord gave me this morning a page and a half outline of saying “We can have Spirit led home groups, or small groups.  You can open your home up and you can have these New Testament groups in your home where you meet together where you share the Spirit together, you have words of wisdom, you pray for one another, you lay hands on each other, you get words of wisdom, words of knowledge, you pray in the Spirit and you nurture that in the home group.” And I had a pastor 2 days ago who’s run a home group for 25 years and I called him up this morning and he said “Yeah, I’ll write a story of what we do in our home group and I’ll video tape the whole thing.”  And I feel the Lord’s saying today “Paint a picture for people of what they can do in their home, how they can do it, put tools in their hand so that they can turn their homes into these Spirit led home-groups. Give people the freedom to grow in the Spirit and develop the gifts and they have a mini-church right there in their homes.

Sid: Okay, let’s come back to me help me hear God’s voice.

Mark: (Laughing) Alright you want to become still you want to have a guard post and so you know I’ve got to get up to my desk and I’ve got some soft soaking music on the background and I’ve got a smile on my face, I’ve got my hands on the keyboard, I open up a software file and I type in “Lord, what do you want to say to me today?”  And I tune to flow and that’s to still my mind to get my mind out of the way.

Sid: Help me out “What do you mean, you tune to flow?”

Mark: (Laughing) Well God’s voice sounds like flowing thoughts that light upon my mind.  And the scriptures support for that is John chapter 7:37 – 39.  “Out of my inter-most being shall flow rivers of living water.” This He spoke in the Spirit and so when I want to tune to the Spirit within me that verse says “He feels like flow.” So if I want words from the Spirit I tune to flowing thoughts.  If I want visions from the Spirit I tune to flowing pictures, if I want God’s emotions I tune to flowing emotions.  And earlier in my Christian life I had no understanding of flow; I mean I memorized the verse “Out of my innermost being shall flow.” But I just didn’t own the concept that flow within me is an anointing of the Spirit of God.  And when I speak from flow I’m speaking the oracles of God and when I think in flow I have the mind of Christ.  And that thing that’s flow guiding my reasoning process. And when I tune my hands to flow and lay them on somebody who’s sick and there’s a flow of heat and energy that’s the anointing of the Spirit to heal the sick and to cast out demons.  So anytime I yield the outer faculty to the flow in me that faculty becomes an extension of Jesus for that point in time.

Sid: Now just out of curiosity you sound like a pretty organized person and methodical, have you ever practiced flow while teaching or preaching and what’s happened?

Mark: Well yes I most certainly have what the Lord journeyed and talked to me about my teaching style.  He said “Mark your teaching style and preaching style will be adjusted by your lifestyle; and the more you live and flow with Me in your morning devotional time right from flow and take Me with you throughout the day the more your preaching style will be adjusted.” So now I preach from flow, I teach from flow, I just get up smile tune to flow and off we go and we go places and we have rabbit trails that we go and I have to come back to my notes if I even bother to come back to my notes.  But people love the teaching style because it’s real, it’s vibrant it’s full of passion and emotion, love. It’s alive with the Spirit where it used to be much more didactic, much more structured I had an outline and I looked at it.  So yes my preaching style is now from flow any my speaking style is now from flow, and my speaking style is now from flow, and my counseling style is from flow; everything at this point is from flow and my conversation with you.

Sid: Now you have taught this “How to Hear God’s Voice” for some 35 years so why was there the need to do this new interactive book “Hearing God?” You had plenty of stuff before.

Mark: Well you know this is probably one of the simplest, easiest versions of the whole thing. We spent a little bit less time building the whole theology and a little bit more time just saying “Hey I’m at your side I’m coaching you I’m asking this question just fill it in and just go with it.”  So without laying all of the intense foundation we’re just taking the person that just wants to coach and will trust that coach and saying “We’re going to walk you into hearing God’s voice very easily, we’re going to walk you into interpreting dreams very easily, and into interpreting scripture very easily.  And we’re going to help you with the first half of a dozen of each one of those cases.

Sid: I have to tell you Mark there is such a flow of the presence of God on our discussion right now I can’t wait to get the reports. And by the way, do you get many reports of people that have sat under your teaching and have been able to do everything that you’ve done and more?

Mark: We get 100’s and 100’s of reports unsolicited reports all the time that come in on our website and on our email. And so we’re blessed beyond beyond belief.

Sid: ….But it’s not just Jewish ministry we are equipping Christians to be normal, normal as defined by the Bible. I got…Mark I got the most wonderful email in yesterday. I’ve had a burden to communicate the true gospel with people that are homosexuals and I have not been that successful. I have friends in the homosexual community but I haven’t been that successful.  Well someone started watching our TV show that was gay and they wrote me a letter and they’re saying that they have been totally set free and they attribute it to just learning more about God from It’s Supernatural Television and Messianic Vision Radio.  So that made my year as far as I’m concerned. When we come back I want to cover those 4 keys that God showed you.

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