admin on July 12th, 2017

SID: You know something that intrigues me is when you were in prison you were using God so to speak.

SHAWN: Yes.

SID: To get out of prison, jailhouse religion. However, when you were confronted with the Word of God and it described you and you were genuinely born again.

SHAWN: Yes.

SID: No one told you, but you just started repenting.

SHAWN: Yes. Sid, I began to repent for all the different strongholds, all the different generational curses that was upon my life from my father’s side, from my mother’s side, and I genuinely would repent. I would walk up to people as I prayed for them to get saved and literally begin to cry and weep for souls.

SID: That doesn’t sound like you. You were one of those gangsters.

SHAWN: I was a gangster, but now I’m a gangster for God, Sid, and I mean I began to just come up to drug dealers and I would slap drugs out of their hand. I had a lot of zeal, but I had wisdom, so you know, I’m like, Holy Ghost, help me out. I just don’t want to get hurt in the process.

SID: What did you do with all your supply of drugs and things you gained from the drug industry?

SHAWN: Sid, I was into soliciting women. I was into drugs, I was into drug trafficking, guns, and I got rid of all my guns. I gave away my Jaguar. I gave away my jewelry.

SID: You gave away a Jaguar?

SHAWN: I gave away a Jaguar to a local guy that’s in Houston, Texas and I just gave away my van to a family. My jewelry, I got rid of it, my guns. I flushed the drugs down the toilet. I was totally set free, Sid.

SID: You could see the difference. When you opened your mouth, could people see you were a different man?

SHAWN: Sid, even my countenance changed. People literally saw me and I looked like a totally different person. I mean, people couldn’t even recognize me because of the transformation that took place in my life during this experience.

SID: Okay. You go, you’re getting really hungry for God. You go on a three-day dry fast. That means nothing to drink.

SHAWN: Nothing to drink.

SID: I did that. I was so weak when I did that. Did the same thing happen to you?

SHAWN: Yes. I was very weak, Sid. You know, I was so weak, but you know, I was strong at the same time if you kind of understand what I’m saying.

SID: Yes.

SHAWN: So I was laying on my floor doing this three-day dry fast. All of a sudden, Sid, I began to go into this vision and the clouds began to come before me. And when I came out of this vision, I heard a voice say, “Tonight revival is going to break out.” So as soon as my wife walked in the door from coming from the grocery store…

SID: Did you say anything or did she know something was different?

SHAWN: She knew something was different, Sid, because she walked in the door. She woke me out of the vision because she said, “What is going on?” So when she came in the house, a literal visible cloud was all over our living room.

SID: Inside your home?

SHAWN: Inside of my home, Sid. It looked like someone took something off the stove, burnt it and just smoke was everywhere. So when I got up I said, “Dear, what’s wrong?” So when I moved my hand like this my wife flew across the room, Sid. It was crazy. I didn’t even know what was going on. I didn’t have any kind of etiquette for this. I had never seen this in a church. So I didn’t know what was going on. I thought someone was playing a joke on me because it was a literal visible cloud.

SID: So you used to have like a Bible study. People would come over to your house.

SHAWN: Yes.

SID: And when they came over, could any of them see this cloud?

SHAWN: Everyone saw the cloud, Sid. It was so thick that people would walk through the door and they would literally fall forward on their face. Now I’ve heard people fall backwards before, but I had never seen people fall on marble floor, no catcher, Sid, no courtesy drops, but literally fall forward on the floor under the power of God, and be down there for hours. I mean, oil would drip from my ceilings. Lumps would just dissolve off of people’s body and fall on the floor and we would have to sweep it up, Sid. Blind eyes open, deaf ears open, even resurrections took place.

SID: You know, when I first because a believer like you I didn’t have much of a paradigm on anything.

SHAWN: Yes.

SID: But I read the New Testament and I thought that was normal. I was shocked.

SHAWN: Right.

SID: When things that were happening to you it wasn’t normal, it wasn’t happening to everyone else.

SHAWN: Yes. Right, right, right, exactly. Well Sid, this was the thing. I was a new believer, so I was asking the Lord, Lord give me some form of mentorship. So I began to look at television because I didn’t have really no pastor or anyone to kind of show me. So I began to watch your show. I had the manifestation, but I didn’t have the revelation. So when I began to watch the people on your show I began to even accelerate in the things of the Glory realm.

SID: You were called by God.

SHAWN: Yes.

SID: To full time ministry.

SHAWN: Yes.

SID: You were struggling, selling your rap music on the streets.

SHAWN: Yes. Yes I was.

SID: Making nothing and then God tells you to do what?

SHAWN: Well I was in front of a Walmart, Sid, and I was trying to pay my rent, and I only sold three dollars’ worth of CDs that day. So all of a sudden, I heard this voice that I now know is the Holy Spirit, and he said, “Go to the restroom.” So while I’m in the restroom I heard that same voice say, a guy walked in the door, he said, “I want you to pray for James.” So I walk up to the guy. This is a very awkward situation. We’re in a restroom and I said.

SID: That’s very awkward.

SHAWN: That’s very awkward, Sid. So all of a sudden I said, “I’m hearing the Lord saying I need, you need to pray for James.” He said, “James? I am James.” All of a sudden, Sid, I called out his mother’s name.

SID: Excuse me. When he said “I am James,” I bet you were more shocked than him.

SHAWN: Sid, I felt the oil in my dreadlocks. I’m telling you, that’s how glorious it was. It was very electrifying. So all of a sudden I called on his mother’s name. I began to tell him about his situation what’s going on with his fiancé. He fell on his knees right there in the restroom and he gave his life over to Jesus. So we both walked out the bathroom crying and hugging. I bet you that was more of an awkward situation to see two grown men come out of the bathroom crying.

SID: I would like you to pray for people, when we come back, that they have that same hunger for God that you have.

SHAWN: Yes.

SID: You want that hunger, but you don’t have it. But you want it and that’s all God is looking for. I’ll have him pray for you when we come back.

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admin on July 5th, 2017

SID: Did you know that there is such wonder working power in the blood of Jesus, there is supernatural protection. Explain, Tommy.

 

TOMMY: There is supernatural protection. You remember the covenant and the blood covenant put the blood on the doorpost? They say we can do that today. We need to do that today. It should be done today as we go through our home pleading the blood of Jesus over the protection of our home, over the protection of our properties, over the protection of our business. God will do that. He would honor that. Not only is there salvation, healing and deliverance in the blood, but there is supernatural protection for you, your family, your business because of the blood of Jesus. And I pray that. I pray supernatural protection over the properties. Let me tell you want I’ve done. I’ve took oil and put it on the bottom of my shoes, my old work boots.

 

SID: So therefore, every place you put your foot, devil, you’re not, just like the blood at Passover, the Angel of Death couldn’t even go into the Jewish homes.

 

TOMMY: You’re not allowed into this property. The angel did not go into that property simply because of the blood. Same thing, put oil on your old work boots and walk your property line, and stomp your foot, and say, “Devil, you can’t come on this property.” But angels can come on this property. Sickness can’t come on this property, but healing can come on this property.

 

SID: I’ll tell you what, after this show, you know what I’m gonna do, Tommy. I’m going to put oil on my shoe and the blood of Jesus I’m going to apply, and I’m reminded what God said to Joshua: “Every place you put your foot I’m giving you…”

 

TOMMY: Amen.

 

SID: “..in the promised land.” How about in the promises of God, every place you put your foot, the promises of God are going to be there. You tell me the devil hates Isaiah 53:5.

 

TOMMY: “By his stripes we are healed.” It says “are healed”, not should be, not could be, not might be, but healed by the blood of Jesus Christ, by the stripes. I did the 39 stripes for the 39 stripes Jesus took for us and every stripe for the healing power of Jesus Christ in our lives, and it’s part of our lives, should be part of our lives. We say, now you’ve tried this, we’ve tried this, we’ve gone here, we’ve done that, we’ve read that, we’ve done that. It’s time to plead the blood. It’s time to plead the blood. It’s got to get to that point in our lives that we go back to pleading the blood of Jesus and sing the old songs. There’s power in the blood, wonder-working power in the blood.

 

SID: The dead are raised by the blood of Jesus. Tell me just one, a woman in Peru. This is amazing.

 

TOMMY: Doing a trip into Peru in a stadium, had about 15,000 people there every night, praying for people, had 3000 saved in that trip into Iquitos, Peru, the jungle city of Peru, about 500,000 people live there deep in the jungle. So a lady had died about four p.m. that afternoon and, most of the time they would bury them the next morning or late that afternoon. But the husband of that lady and her son bring her to the meeting. Now I didn’t know she was there.

 

SID: Right.

 

TOMMY: I’m doing the preaching on the stage and so forth.

 

SID: They bring the corpse.

 

TOMMY: They bring the corpse on a cot, a homemade cot, and they lay her in the back of the room at the stadium. She’s in the stadium there. I had no idea. So they get there about six p.m. and she stays there until 10:30. At 10:30, I’m ending the prayer line where I’m praying for people and God is doing miracles. I like to call them popcorn miracles because they happen so fast, just like this, a miracle will happen. And they bring this lady to me and I say, “What’s wrong with this lady?” And the answer was, “She’s dead.” I said, “Sir, repeat that to me, please.” “She’s dead.” And I asked the daddy and the son, “Why would you bring your dead mother to me?” And they said this.

 

Man: So God can raise her up.

 

TOMMY: That’s the faith of the daddy and the faith of the son that God is going to raise their mama, God is going to raise my wife from the dead. I knelt beside her and began to pray. I anoint her, pray for her. I take authority over death. Now you can do that. You can absolutely take authority over death. I take authority over death in the name of Jesus, not in my name, but in the name of Jesus, take authority over death. I plead the blood of Jesus right now, and I blew in her face. Just blew in her face. And she opened eyes, and when she opened her eyes I just took her by her hand and raised her up. She sat up. And I said, “Well if you’re gonna sit up, just stand up.” And I’m telling you, we had church until midnight. God, I can take you to her home. I’ve had lunch with this lady in her home right now in Iquitos, Peru. We can go there and visit her. She’s alive today. Jesus is still raising the dead because we plead the blood.

 

SID: Jesus said, “You will do,” you, that’s why you’re watching. I want you to be healed. I want you to pray for the sick. It’s not the people on TV, it’s the people that have Jesus inside of themselves. You qualify if Jesus is your Messiah and Lord. When we come back, Tommy used a phrase, I understand it, “popcorn miracles”, meaning there will be so many miracles you can’t keep track, pop, pop, pop like the popcorn. I’m going to have him pray for you when we come back.

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admin on June 28th, 2017

SID: Now your wife, she didn’t need a dream or revelation. It was obvious there had been attacks in her generations on lives. Explain.

 

ROBERT: Well I was traveling, as I always do, and I had a very vivid dream where my wife was standing before me, but standing behind her was her aunt who has been dead, gone for about 20 years. And I knew in the dream that her aunt was a part of the crowd of witnesses that the Bible speaks of. And so no one was seeing her but me. But my wife was saying, “I’m getting stronger and stronger.” But her aunt standing behind her had her arms folded and shaking her head, communicating to me, “No, she’s getting weaker and weaker, and is going to die prematurely.” And I knew that there was a scheme of the devil that the devil was saying, I found a legal right to take your wife out prematurely. And so I knew I had to go into the Courts of Heaven and undo that right that he was saying before the courts I have. And so we did that and we broke that power of premature death. See, her mother died at 58 and her grandmother died at 40.

 

SID: So these curses give a legal right until you legally break them. Is this some mystical thing, I mean, where, when you go to the Court of Heaven, or is this just an act of your will?

 

ROBERT: It’s really an act of my faith. I say, Lord, I know you’re judge, and so I’m coming before your courts. And so what I do is I say this, Lord, I’m approaching you as judge and I’m asking for the courts to open. So I’m saying, Lord, would you just open the courts, and all of the sudden the atmosphere begins to change. And then when I go in—

 

SID: I heard you teaching on this and I felt the atmosphere change when you did this.

 

ROBERT: Yes, it does. It’s amazing.

 

SID: And I did it and the atmosphere changed.

 

ROBERT: Yes. Anybody can do it because God gives us access by the blood of Jesus into his place. And so I said, okay, Lord, let the courts open and I come.

 

SID: Are you fearful of this judge?

 

ROBERT: No, not in a terrifying sense or a tormenting sense.

 

SID: But you know, although you have reverence, I think the fix is on with the judge. I think the judge is his Father. What do you think?

 

ROBERT: That’s right. He’s looking for us to put faith in what Jesus did.

 

SID: Right.

 

ROBERT: And bring our case on the basis of that. And that gives him the right he needs to release verdicts in our behalf. And so I say, Lord, I’m just presenting my case. One of the things I do when I go, I say, Lord, I come before you according to Romans, Chapter 12, and I present myself as a living sacrifice. If there’s anything in me that needs to be dealt with, Lord, I humbly submit myself to you. And I may need to repent before him for just a few moments if I allow things in my life. But ultimately, I am allowed to stand there because of the righteousness of who he is, because it’s his righteousness that grants me access into that court.

 

SID: Can you win every time?

 

ROBERT: I can win every time.

 

SID: I like that.

 

ROBERT: I can win every time.

 

SID: Would you take the whole television audience, Internet audience and studio audience to Heaven and lead us in a prayer.

 

ROBERT: Absolutely. Okay, let’s do that.

 

SID: Would you like that, audience.

 

ROBERT: So Father, as we’re here before you, I just want to ask for your courts to open, Lord, right now. We come humbly before you and we acknowledge you as God the judge of all the earth. But we say let the courts open, and Lord, by faith now, even as I see the doors opening, Lord, we step into the courts and we come, many times I’ll see like a table that’s before the throne, and the throne usually, for me, it usually reaches very high. I see us before the throne at this table, and Lord, even as we’re here we just say if there’s anything in us that’s displeasing to you, would you just let your blood cleanse that right now. And Lord, even as we’re here I want to ask that any sin, transgression, or iniquitous thing in our past that the enemy is using to build a case against us, would you according to Colossians 2:14, “Would you cause every accusation against us that’s contrary to us be taken out of the way because of who you are and what you have done on the cross.” Lord, I’m just thanking you for doing that and let all that are watching right now, let every case against them I ask by the blood of Jesus be dismissed and be removed, and Lord, now let their request and their destiny be settled and secured, and become reality for them in Jesus’ name. I thank you for doing that. Amen.

 

SID: You know, Robert, it seems too simple. It really does.

 

ROBERT: It does. Yes, it really is. I mean, when you’re before the Lord and you have more time, you could say, Lord, it’s like you’re in a fellowship with him.

 

SID: But what if I don’t see Heaven, I don’t see a desk, I don’t see a courtroom, will it work just as good?

 

ROBERT: Yes, because for a long time I didn’t see anything and I was getting major results. It’s just that as I said, Lord, I want to see. I’ve heard and I’ve felt my entire spirit life, but Lord, I want to see. Would you just open that realm to me and would you let me see. And as I posture myself in faith, I become aware. But I didn’t have to have that. I could just move there by faith based on what I see in the Word of God.

 

SID: You said Moses is a great example of this. Explain briefly.

 

ROBERT: God said to Moses, get out of the way, I’ve had it with Israel. I’m going to wipe them out.

 

SID: I remember. I wouldn’t here if it wasn’t for Moshe Ebanu.

 

ROBERT: And Moses said to the Lord, “Lord, you can’t do that.” He said, “Your purpose is them, your reputation is them. If you destroy them you can bring them out, but you couldn’t bring them in.” And then he said, “You’re a covenant keeping God and you’ll be accused of not keeping your covenant and breaking your word.” So on a basis of three things Moses presented a case before the court.

 

SID: So just as Moses did this, we present a case before the court.

 

ROBERT: That’s right.

 

SID: Okay, go ahead.

 

ROBERT: So Moses’ case in the court was based on the purpose of God, not someone’s need. And I tell people, when you go into the courts we need to present cases as much as we can based on God’s purpose in the matter, not necessarily our need. We may come become before the Father and the friend on our knees, but when we’re in the court we will present a case based on God’s purposes, Lord, that your purpose is locked up in this person, in this child, in this situation.

 

SID: Give me an example, someone is a child that’s dying, what would you say?

 

ROBERT: I would say, Lord, this child has a destiny written in the Books of Heaven. If this child dies then your purpose in that child is going to be lost. So I’m asking you, Lord, please rise and render a verdict of this person’s healing, this person’s release from drug addiction, this person’s release from rebellion. Lord, let these powers be broken or else you’re going to lose your purpose in this child. That’s the way Moses approached God.

 

SID: I pray in the name that is above every name, Yeshua HaMashiach Tzidkenu, Jesus the Messiah our Righteousness, that you will fulfill your full destiny and that no curse will prosper in your life. Amen.

 

ROBERT: Amen.

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admin on June 21st, 2017

SID: Now you teach there are four major effects of inequities, these bloodline curses that pass down.

 

ROBERT: Yes. When I start dealing with iniquity, I say iniquity will do four things. Number one, it will give the enemy a legal right to tempt us in a given area. In other words, if there’s iniquity in the bloodline that someone gave themselves over to you, you will see that temptation come and begin to work in a family line: anger, lust.

 

SID: Will it work on addiction?

 

ROBERT: Yes. In fact, all strongholds, I believe are connected to iniquitous issues in the bloodline. That’s what makes them so strong. And the second thing is, is that iniquity will fashion our identity. And just real quickly, see, Isaiah, in Isaiah 6, he says the Glory of God, he says, “I’m undone. Woe as me, I ought to be destroyed.” That’s literally what he says. But then once his iniquity is cleansed, he says, “Here am I. Send me. I’m a prophet.” His complete identity changed once the iniquity issue was dealt with in his life. And then the third thing it does is it detours us from our destiny. The enemy uses the iniquity to take us off course from what God actually has written in our book. And then the fourth thing is he uses iniquity to build legal cases against us.

 

SID: Okay. You say there is a major key to undo these iniquities.

 

ROBERT: Yes. I believe that recognition of revelation. I actually tell people, when you’re looking at your family line, I say, you should look at your parents, you and your siblings, and your children. You will see iniquity and iniquitous patterns in those three generations.

 

SID: So you don’t need a great revelation. You just have to observe what’s going on in your life and in your family.

 

ROBERT: That’s right and say, Lord if there is anything else.

 

SID: You’ve been upset about your family. Instead, they are clues for you and the whole family to be free.

 

ROBERT: That’s right. But then after I have done everything I know to do, then I say, Lord, if there’s anything else that I need to know, would you just reveal it to me, which is what he did for me. He actually has brought revelation to me of issues the enemy was legally using that was stopping me from coming into my destiny.

 

SID: Well how about someone that says, once I was born again, all those iniquities gone, finished. You have no faith, Robert.

 

ROBERT: I hear that quite often. But what I tell them is this. When Jesus died on the cross it was the greatest legal transaction of history. That’s what the cross was. It was a verdict rendered. But here’s what I tell them. A verdict that is not executed into place has a no power. And in John, Chapter 16, the Bible says, “When the Holy Spirit comes he’s going to convince the world of judgment because the ruler of this world is judged.” In other words, he is going to make us to realize that when Jesus died on the cross there was a verdict against the devil. But it is the power of the Holy Spirit that empowers us to execute that verdict into place so that we get the benefit of everything Jesus died for. That’s what we do in the Courts of Heaven.

 

SID: There’s an interesting story you share about your great-grandfather. You had a dream about him. You didn’t know him or know anything about him.

 

ROBERT: Nothing. And see, I was in a real period of frustration because for decades I had seen broken promises in my life. People would promise me things and then not fulfill them. And over and over, and over this happened, and I was so frustrated. Well in the middle of that I had a dream, and the Lord, or in the dream, I was told that my great-grandfather through negligence had injured somebody, and that there was now as a result of that a judgment against me. So when I woke up I realized immediately what the Lord was saying. He was saying there’s a verdict against you in the Court of Heaven. The enemy has a case against you because of the negligence of your great-grandfather. So I had to go and begin to repent for my negligence, the negligence of my family, but especially the negligence of my great-grandfather, and when I did that, all of a sudden a new release came, a new destiny started coming to me. In fact, the Lord said to me, he said, “The negligence of your great-grandfather stole someone else’s dreams away. The enemy has used that as a legal right to steal your dreams away.”

 

SID: Alright, if you hadn’t had that dream, could you have gotten rid of that iniquity?

 

ROBERT: I don’t think so. I think that in that case I needed Divine revelation from the Lord.

 

SID: And you were praying for that.

 

ROBERT: I was praying for that. I was saying, Lord, why is this pattern repeating itself in my life? And the Lord gave me that dream to help me know why.

 

SID: I can tell you, there’s a freedom coming to you, there’s an answer coming to you and you’re about ready to fulfill your destiny. I want Robert to briefly explain how to go to the Court of Heaven and legally get rid of the charges against you and those iniquities. Be right back.

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admin on June 21st, 2017

Is there a supernatural dimension, a world beyond the one we know? Is there life after death? Do angels exist? Can our dreams contain messages from Heaven? Can we tap into ancient secrets of the supernatural? Are healing miracles real? Sid Roth has spent over 35 years researching the strange world of the supernatural. Join Sid for this edition of It’s Supernatural.

 

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. Did you know according to the Bible there are books in Heaven that have your entire life, I mean, everything you’re going to do your whole life. It’s your destiny and it’s already recorded. And God’s greatest passion is for you to fulfill the destiny God has for you, and everyone has a destiny, and it’s a good destiny. I don’t care what your age is, my guest has information, revelation, if you will, that will allow you to stop the devil in his tracks of interfering with you fulfilling your destiny. Would you like to find this out? Me, too. Now my guest is Robert Henderson and he’s been a guest before, and he talks about going to the Courts of Heaven. Would you briefly describe that.

 

ROBERT: I believe that there’s a spiritual dimension called the Courts of Heaven, Daniel 7:10, where it says, “The Court was seated and the books were open.” And I believe it’s called the third realm of prayer, because when Jesus taught us on prayer in Luke 11, he said we should approach God as Father and friend, but then in Luke 18 he added, approach him also as judge. When we approach God as Father or friend, that’s a very deep intimate relationship, but when we come before him as judge that’s a very reverential place.

 

SID: People are getting healed that never healed before. This revelation is amazing. How did God show it to you?

 

ROBERT: Well it came out of my own desperation and necessity. Initially, I had a son that was set in depression that was not given to depression. He was there for two years. And I had actually battled in war on the battlefield in prayer, to speak, but all of a sudden the Lord whispered to me and said, “Bring him to my courts.” And when I did that out of the limited understanding that I had at that time, according to Romans 8:26, the Bible ways when we don’t know how to pray he helps us. And so he began to help me and he led me through the process in the Courts of Heaven, and a week and a half later my son calls, and says, “Dad, can I talk to you?” And I said, “Absolutely.” And he says, “I don’t know what happened, but a week and a half ago all the depression left.” And he was completely free, completely free.

 

SID: You’re hearing this all over the world, really, from that revelation. But this latest one is the one that really gets me. But to understand it, tell me about the books in Heaven.

 

ROBERT: Yes. According to Daniel 7, Verse 10, the Bible says that the Court is seated, or comes to order, it’s ready to proceed in session and the books are opened. And there’s a lot of books in Heaven. There’s all sorts of books. But one of the main books in Heaven is books of destiny. We find that in Psalms 139:16, where David said, “All my substance,” which I believe is the DNA of who we are, “was written in a book and all my days yet unfashioned, they were all written down in a book before time began.” And what people don’t understand is we have to reach our Divine destiny for God’s ultimate purpose to be done in the earth. When all of us as the body of Christ—

SID: There’s a symphony.

 

ROBERT: Yes. When we get our destiny he gets his purpose.

 

SID: Okay. What’s the problem?

 

ROBERT: The problem is, is that the enemy uses legal things in the spirit realm to stop us from getting our destiny. That’s why Daniel 7:10 says, “The Court was seated and the books are open.” It’s going to take courtroom activity to get what’s in the books fleshed out in real practical life.

 

SID: What is the major strategy of the devil? What does he use the most?

 

ROBERT: He uses there basic areas to work against us. First of all, Luke 22:31, it says that, “Jesus said to Peter, ‘Satan has desire to have you.'” Okay, that word “desire”, it literally means he demanded you be put on trial. So Satan had an awareness that of what Peter’s destiny was, what was in his book, and he was going to use a trial or a legal issue in the courts to deny him his right of having that. In other words, he was saying before God, I have evidence that would disqualify Peter from his destiny. And Jesus had to know how to go into the courts, answer those accusations so Peter could have what God had ordained for him to have when he could walk out the destiny God had for him, and he’s done the same thing for all of us.

 

SID: You explain that there are curses through bloodline. If someone has a curse, give me some examples of what might be a tip-off there’s a curse operating in their life.

 

ROBERT: Well the first thing I think that a curse does is it creates wrong mindsets. In other words, we think incorrectly about ourselves. Maybe because there’s a curse of poverty in our family line, they think with a poverty mentality. They don’t believe God wants them to prosper or there’s sickness in that bloodline, or there’s depression in that blood line, or there’s anger issues in that bloodline. It fashions and forms the way we see our self. And so one of the first things that a curse does is it creates a mindset, and when that curse is broken or is removed then we’re able to come free of that wrong thinking.

 

SID: Give me your definition of a curse.

 

ROBERT: Well I call a curse a spiritual force that will sabotage our future and our success. I mean, I don’t know how many times I lived my life before I discovered this that it would seem like I would be on the brink of a breakthrough only for it not to happen. And I would see this pattern repeat itself over and over, and that’s always a sign of a curse, a repetition of a pattern over and over, and over. Whatever it may be, there is a curse that’s operating in that situation. The Bible says in Proverbs 26:2, “A curse without a cause cannot land.” It says it’s like birds flying around looking for a place to land. So it says a curse has to have a cause. That word “cause,” it would imply that it has found a legal right to operate against this bloodline. And that’s why you see certain types of attitudes, behaviors, sicknesses and depressions, or whatever being passed from generation to generation, never able to come into the destiny ordained by God.

 

SID: Briefly, you had a curse in your bloodline that if it hadn’t been dealt with the devil would have stopped you from sitting right in that chair today.

 

ROBERT: Absolutely. I mean, I realized that timidity was a curse. It was in my family line. My dad was very timid, my oldest sister was very timid, and on back. I was so timid that when my wife and I were dating she would have to order for me. She would have to talk to the waiter or waitress for me because I was do bashful and timid and not wanting to do that. And so I realized, I used to think, well that’s just a personality trait. No, that’s a curse. If that hadn’t have broken I would not be able to be a minister, a spokesman.

 

SID: You would not have achieved your destiny.

 

ROBERT: That’s right.

 

SID: When we come back I want to see that these curses, these sins of the bloodline of iniquity will be broken in your life. Be right back.

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